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« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2011, 05:55:58 AM »
http://christianactionforisrael.org/isreport/janfeb01/balkanization.html

The Balkanization of the Middle East

A new word entered the lexicon of Palestinian nationalism this past week - "uranium." PLO chief Yasser Arafat, on two occasions, charged Israel with using "uranium" weapons against the Palestinians in the course of the recent conflict in the Middle East. It was an absurd allegation he had handily borrowed from the widely reported rumors in mid-January of a rash of cancer cases linked to NATO's use of weapons tipped with depleted uranium in its 1999 bombing campaign against Serbia. The intent was clear - plant in the minds of the world the Serbia/Israel connection.
Throughout the four months of the current Palestinian uprising, the PLO leadership has ratcheted up their propaganda efforts to "internationalize" the Israeli-Palestinian conflict by equating it to the "ethnic cleansing" and "war crimes" committed in Kosovo. For if such a linkage can be established, it both justifies and necessitates similar military action against Israel. NATO air strikes on Tel Aviv? It may seem folly, but it bears watching.

When NATO forces launched their air campaign against Yugoslavia on March 24, 1999, the Western world stood united behind NATO, even though the military operation was carried out without a mandate of the United Nations. The goal was the crippling of the Serbian war machine in Kosovo and enforcing compliance with the international peace plan drawn up at Rambouillet, France.

One Western nation stood out for initially failing to voice support for what was called the "Allied Operation against Serb atrocities on the Balkan" - Israel. Minister of Foreign Affairs Ariel Sharon explained why Israel hesitated to support the military action. "If we support force to resolve a regional conflict, we could be the next victim," Sharon was quoted as saying at the onset of the Balkan campaign. Soon afterwards, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu distanced himself somewhat from Sharon's remarks and sent a field hospital to the Balkans to help Albanian refugees.

At the same time, however, Sharon's reservations were validated when Arafat and other Palestinian officials began calling for a similar international response to end "Israel's atrocities against the Palestinian people." Not only the Arab media, but even the respected Economist branded the plight of the Palestinian people "an unpunished ethnic cleansing." Meanwhile, Israel's former prime minister and most prominent dove, Shimon Peres, could not resist the analogy and declared at the time that the Jewish settlements in Judea/Samaria and Gaza were bound to create a "Kosovo-like" situation in Israel.

Chilled by such thoughts, some right-wing Knesset members called for an end to the air strikes. If the West intervenes on behalf of an independence-seeking ethnic minority in Kosovo, one asked, "couldn't it happen here too, in a different variation today or tomorrow?"

That was 1999 - a mere two years ago. Today, after the failure of the Oslo peace talks to produce a final-status agreement and in the midst the surging intifada, it is again not just Palestinian voices speaking of the "balkanization of the Middle East." No less a body than the Council on Foreign Relations - the American establishment's influential forum for steering US foreign policy - has begun to prescribe similar treatments for these two arenas of conflict and tension.

The CFR's widely respected flagship journal Foreign Affairs, reflecting its regional reconfiguration of the world map, features in the January/February 2001 issue a new section entitled "The Middle East & the Balkans." The section contains three articles on Israel and the former Yugoslavia. In the first article, the author makes a direct comparison between Gaza and Kosovo's war-torn capital, Pristina. More noteworthy are the article's proposed solutions for both the Israeli-Palestinian and Balkan conflicts.

Addressing Israel and the Palestinians, Arthur Hertzberg urges that "both sides should abandon their messianic dreams" and make "pragmatic arrangements that bring some calm to the world." Both peoples must tone down their national and religious aspirations, meaning a mutual lowering of the religious significance of Jerusalem and Israeli thinking that "everything between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River was inalienably Jewish."

Foreign Affairs delivers the same message in a more direct tone to Serbia. The magazine calls upon Belgrade to "join the club," meaning Serbia should abandon their "preoccupation with the nineteenth-century concept of a nation-state with borders" and "embrace the concept of a transnational integration" into Europe. The region's fundamental choice is presented as "becoming less Balkans" and moving on to "becoming more European." And this choice, the author threatens, "over time might well mean a choice between peace and war."

The CFR journal continues with this theme in a following section, a collection of articles on the theme "Bridging the Gap of Globalization." One article entitled "Are human right universal" claims to be "a defense of truly global human rights." The following essay, "Toward a global parliament," sees the need for a global council which would "enforce the collective efforts to protect the environment, control or eliminate weapons, safeguard human rights and protect the global community."

In Israel, the main concern of many leftist politicians is to comply with the expectations of the world community. Prominent political leaders and intellectuals are joining hands behind the thrust of ideas now commonly referred to as "post-Zionism." Their goal is to "free" the State of Israel from its unique Jewish character and to make it a "nation like all other nations." A most prominent spokesman of this trend is Shimon Peres, who, in his book "The New Middle East," elaborates on how Israel can qualify as a proper global citizen. "The entire idea of the small national state - the Jewish state included - has collapsed," Peres explains in his book. "The area of the former country of Yugoslavia are a prime example of this. The supranational trend predominates everywhere."

In fact, according to Peres, Arab and Jewish nationalism were to blame for triggering interminable war in the region. Israel's Foreign Minister Shlomo Ben-Ami concurred only a few days ago when he spoke of a "Bosnia-like" situation in Israel.

There are clear indications that the Government of Prime Minister Ehud Barak has been stepping to the CFR beat, perhaps voluntarily, and it has brought Israel to a dangerous precipice. So dangerous that the nation appears primed to place noted hawk Ariel Sharon at the helm in hopes he will manage the Palestinian uprising in a new, firmer way.

Unnerved by the steady political demise of Barak in public opinion polls, the CFR invited the caretaker Israeli premier to defend his peace-making record in a conference call with Council members in early January. In a speech that resembled a report to a board of directors, Barak explained at length his past policies and current plans for resolving the diplomatic impasse and quelling the renewed Palestinian violence. But the appeal for understanding apparently failed. Henry Siegman, a leading Middle East analyst and senior fellow in the CFR's "Middle East & the Balkans" section, penned an opinion column published the very next day in THE INTERNATIONAL HERALD TRIBUNE which called for Barak to step down in deference to Peres as the Labor party's candidate for prime minister.

Israel's ultimate choice, so it seems, is to fit into the global framework or else... If she decides not to comply, the choice over time may well mean a choice between "peace and war." Arafat keeps hounding the halls of power for an international force to "protect the Palestinians." He appeared well on course to getting it. But now, Sharon may be standing in his way.

Jurgen Buhler and David Parsons
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Re: Serbian History Books and other matter documents...
« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2011, 06:08:28 AM »
Skanderbeg, whose brother Reposh was a monk at  Chilandar (he was also buried there), is  Orthodox Christian by father and by mother, and the Albanians took him as their national hero because he was a "Christian army commander," among them were a lot of Albanian Christians. Skanderbeg's father's name was Ivan , the grandfather Pavle  (Paul), the great-grandfather Komlen, great- great-grandfather Branilo. His mother was Vojisava Tribaldic.Vojvoda Drekalo was the great grandson of Djuradj Kastriot Skanderbeg.
So continue:
 
Drekalo - Djuradj - Jovan - Djuradj (Skanderbeg) - Ivan - Paul -Komlen -  and
until today:
 


http://www.cps.org.rs/rodoslov.jpg
 
 
He was a Serb by father and mother. The name "Skanderbeg"  was given to him when he was kidnapped as a small child from his family by Turks and forcibly converted to Islam. But when he grew up,Scanderbeg escaped from the Turkish camp and became the greatest enemy of Turkey, uniting all Christians in the fight against the Ottoman invaders.
 
This is an example of falsification of history by Albanians and by they helpers,to the detriment of Serbs!!
 

 






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« Reply #34 on: November 11, 2011, 07:18:27 AM »
THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CRIMINAL PROJECT OF THE ARTIFICIAL CROATIAN NATION

http://www.vseselj.com/files/books/Rimokatolicki-na-engleskom.pdf
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« Reply #35 on: November 16, 2011, 12:37:40 AM »
Very interesting postings !





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« Reply #40 on: December 05, 2011, 03:43:30 PM »


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Ethnographic map of the Austrian monarchy

Ethnographische Karte der Osterreichischen Monarchie. Nach Bernhardi, Safarik, und eigenen Untersuchungen von HBgs. Febr 1845. 8te Abtheilung: Ethnographie No 10. Gez. in der geogr. Kunstschule zu Potsdam auf v. Stulpnagel's Osterr. Kaiserstaat (No 26 in Stieler's H. Atlas). Gest. v. W. Behrens, Shr. v. Fr. In Baumgarten. Gotha 1846, bei J. Perthes. 1846.

Ethnographic map of the Austrian monarchy. According to Bernhardi, Safarik, and our own investigations of HBgs. Feb 1845th 8th division: Ethnography of No 10 Gez. in the geographic. Art School at Potsdam v. Stulpnagel's Østerrike. Kaiser State (No. 26 in Stieler's Atlas H.). Gest. by W. Behrens, Shr. In Baumgarten v. Fr. Gotha, 1846, by J. Perthes. 1846th
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Ethnographic map of the Austrian monarchy 2

This is magnified snapshot of lower-right corner of the map where is the data on the population of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. In this part of picture(and in whole map) we can see that territory of former Yugoslavia its called Illyro-Serben territories because there lives Illyro-Serben (Illyro-Serbs)! Who are they!? They are :
Illyro-Serben = 4.604.600
a) Serben (Shokzen u. Raizen) = 2.624.000 - Serbs
b) Chorwaten (Kroaten) = 813.300 - Croats
c) Slowenzen (Winden) = 1.167.300 - Slovenians

We can also see their numbers (population), Serbs form the majority! But this is not for whole Illyro-Serbs territories, only for yellow colored part on the map, that color on this map determines the Slavs, as you can see! So this data is only for present-day Slovenia, Croatia and the Serbian province of Vojvodina! Also you can see on this maps says Serben (Serbs) its start in Dalmatia (with letter ''s'') goes over present-day Bosnia and Herzegovina and Serbia and ends in Vojvodina (with letter ''n'')! Where the Croats on the map ? Only in the small parts of todays Croatia its says on the map Chorwaten (Kroaten)!

So what this map shows! The map shows that the Croats are Slavs definitely, that Croats, Slovenians, Bosnians , Montenegrins, Macedonians are Serbs originating, that Illyrians is second name for Slavs and Illyria is second name for Illyrians territories , that Albanians are not Illyrians, that Dalmatia, Slavonia,Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo ,Montenegro and Macedonia are Serbian lands!

Remark : this map is made by Austro-Hungarians, Serbia was an enemy of Austro-Hungarians, so they did have interest to false data on map!

P.S. 1846 on the territory of the Austro-Hungarian 475,000 Jews lived!


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Re: Serbian History Books and other matter documents...
« Reply #41 on: December 06, 2011, 12:01:24 AM »
Very interesting !

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« Reply #42 on: December 20, 2011, 05:20:19 AM »
The Chetniks were first formed in the 19th century during the Serbian fight for liberation from the Turks. They also played a role during the Balkan wars of 1912 and 1915, as well as during World War I. In 1904 the organization known as the "Serb Chetnik Movement" (Српски Четнички Покрет) was formed in Vranje by the Saint Sava organization, by members of the army and representatives of the ministry of foreign affairs, among whom was Milorad Gođevac, Vasa Jovanović, Luka Ćelović and General Jovan Atanacković. The aim of the movement was liberation of Old Serbia and Macedonia. Serbia started equipping Macedonian Serb Chetniks who were in conflict with the autonomist and pro-Bulgarian Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization (IMRO).
In the same year of establishment, the first četa from Belgrade was led by voivode Anđelko. It perished, and Gligor Sokolović formed several detachments in and around Prilep, after meeting with Gođevac.The Serb Chetniks defeated the Bulgarians at Prilep, Kičevo, Veles and Poreč. In the summer of 1906 the Serbian Chetniks attacked the Bulgarians at Krapa.
The Macedonian Serb Chetniks from 1904 till 1908 created strongholds in Skopje and Prilep regions after several battles against the Turks and the IMRO, but could not extend their territory due to the IMRO presence in the other parts of Macedonia. The most prominent Chetniks of Macedonia were Jovan Babunski, Gligor Sokolović, Ilija Trifunović-Birčanin, Mihailo Ristić-Džervinac, Jovan Grković-Gapon, Vasilije Trbić, Garda Spasa, Borivoje Jovanović-Brana, Ilija Jovanović-Pčinjski, Jovan Stanojković-Dovezenski, Micko Krstić, Lazar Kujundžić, Cene Marković, MiÅ¡a Aleksić-Marinko, Doksim Mihailović, Kosta Milovanović-Pećanac, Vojin Popović-Vuk and Savatije Milićević MiloÅ¡ević. After the proclamation of the Young Turk revolution in 1908 and the proclamation of the constitution, all of the brigands in Macedonia, including the Serbian Chetniks put down their weapons.
This period lasted until 1912, when the Balkan countries once again started arming guerrilla bands in Macedonia in order to help them in operations against the Ottoman Army. At the start of the Balkan wars there were 110 IMRO, 108 Greek, 30 Serbian, and 5 Vlach detachments. They fought against the Ottoman Empire in the First Balkan War, while in World War I they fought against Austria-Hungary.

In World War I bands of Chetniks fought against the Bulgarian Army and organized the Toplica Insurrection, which was quickly crushed by the Bulgarians.
After the formation of the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (later Kingdom of Yugoslavia) and the arrival of peacetime, the Chetnik movement ceased functioning as a guerrilla force, and became a civilian organization. In 1921 the Organization of Chetniks for the Freedom and Honor of the Fatherland (Udruženje Četnika za slobodu i čast Otadžbine) was formed, and in 1924 the Organization of Serbian Chetniks for King and Fatherland (Udruženje srpskih četnika za Kralja i Otadžbinu), while the formation of the Organization of Serbian Chetniks Petar Mrkonjić (Udruženje srpskih četnika Petar Mrkonjić) also followed. These latter two merged together the following year as the Organization of Serbian Chetniks Petar Mrkonjić.
After the unitarianist King Alexander I proclaimed a dictatorship in 1929, the Organization of Serbian Chetniks Petar Mrkonjić was banned while the Organization of Chetniks for Freedom and Honour of the Fatherland was allowed to continue operating. Kosta Pećanac was the organization's leader from 1932 up to the occupation of Yugoslavia in 1941.

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« Reply #43 on: December 20, 2011, 11:46:37 PM »
But the Chetniks fought with the Nazis in WW2 against Tito and the great partisans ! :clap:

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« Reply #44 on: December 21, 2011, 05:10:38 AM »
But the Chetniks fought with the Nazis in WW2 against Tito and the great partisans ! :clap:

Komite are special guerrilla forses of serbian army !They existed before the First Balkan War as a way of fighting against the Turks in the still occupied territories of Serbia (Kosovo, Macedonia...)! They had to change its name to ''Chetniks'' because of the Bulgarian predatory  unit that also broke into the present-day Macedonia and did a great atrocities on the Turks and the local population, which are also called themselves Komita! Probably deliberately used the same name in order for these crimes were blamed Serbs! This would reduce the impact of Serbia in Macedonia and  is more likely to Bulgarians occupythis land  after the liberation from the Turks, what ater in the Balkan wars (1912-1913), and the First World War proved to be true! Komite (Chetniks) after the Balkan Wars, entering into the composition of the regular army as Serbian special forces and after the First World War do not exist! Consequently, in the Second World War '' Yugoslav Army in the Fatherland'' or '' Ravna Gora movement" was called Chetniks''

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« Reply #45 on: December 21, 2011, 09:51:21 PM »
Tito and his partisans tied down 30 Nazi Divisions in the Balkans thats good enough for me !

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« Reply #46 on: December 22, 2011, 10:03:00 AM »
NO!NO!NO! I reject your hypothesis ! Comrade Tito was a great leader , he was in Spain in 36 fighting the fascists! >:(

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« Reply #47 on: December 22, 2011, 11:20:33 AM »
NO!NO!NO! I reject your hypothesis ! Comrade Tito was a great leader , he was in Spain in 36 fighting the fascists! >:(
Read this, Tito was in Austria-Hungary army and fight against Serbia and Slav peoples!!! Do you even know how many ameican pilots are saved by Chetniks of Draza Mihailovic!? 500 pilots! Do you know who was the first Anti-fascism resistance movement in WII?? Draza and Chetniks! Do you know how many jews draza saved??
You dont know nothing about this, so better start to ask, rather than  talking about what you like to be!

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« Reply #48 on: December 23, 2011, 12:03:04 AM »
This rewriting of history sickens me !   The Chetniks fought openly with the Nazis ! >:(

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« Reply #49 on: December 23, 2011, 05:54:55 AM »
Walter Weiss (also known as Josip Broz, under the code name Tito) was a Vatican agent. He killed more Serbs than Germans did.
He sends 2 partisans in some vilage to kill one or two German solders in an ambush, and then run away. Tomorrow, Germans come to the vilage and kill 100 or 200 Serbs (the whole vilage).
That's how partisans fought against Germans.


This rewriting of history sickens me !   The Chetniks fought openly with the Nazis ! >:(

Yes, but only in the communist movies.
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