Israel's Chief Scientist dismissed for doubting evolution & global warming

[muman613]

a non-thinking imbecile like you who insists that the sun revolves around the earth!

As with a 6000 year old universe, all the solid scientific evidence actually fully supports a Sun going round the Earth!

Would you dare also call the Maharal, the Ma’aseh Tuviyah, the Mateh Dan, R.Yonoson Eibeshutz, the Ba’al HaTanya, R.Nachman of Breslov, the Sefer Habris, the Lubavitcher Rebbe etc "imbeciles" for holding like the Tenach that that the Sun goes round the Earth?!

Where does it say in Torah that the Sun revolves around the earth? I have never heard that one...

Actually I just found some discussion of this topic:

http://www.meaningfullife.com/spiritual/nature/Revolution_of_the_Planets.php

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

a non-thinking imbecile like you who insists that the sun revolves around the earth!

As with a 6000 year old universe, all the solid scientific evidence actually fully supports a Sun going round the Earth!

LOL !

 

Would you dare also call the Maharal, the Ma’aseh Tuviyah, the Mateh Dan, R.Yonoson Eibeshutz, the Ba’al HaTanya, R.Nachman of Breslov, the Sefer Habris, the Lubavitcher Rebbe etc "imbeciles" for holding like the Tenach that that the Sun goes round the Earth?!

No I wouldn't, but if they lived today when the science is already well known and clearly established, and they still insisted on this, I would think it is an imbecilic view!   If they are well versed in the science, they should know better.   Even if they're not, it's no excuse, however, in today's age where this is so well known.   

I wouldn't call the Lubavitcher rebbe any names like I would call you.   However, he had some very mistaken views and so did his chassidim!

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

A Chabad rabbi taught me in Torah study that Ha'Shem created the world as it says in Genesis, and created during those same six days some parts of the earth with fossil bones and areas which look like they are from different geological eras to allow fools the free will to actually believe in an "old Earth" and "evolution".

I was taught that if Ha'Shem is capable of creating everything, then He's certainly able to create bones which carbon dating reads as 50 million years old, when in fact they are 5000 years old.

So case closed.

Case closed?

Oh, I get it, if Jews don't adhere to the most outlandish view, then it's not really authentic?   

Ever stop and consider that maybe this chabad rabbi was incorrect?

My rabbi certainly does not agree with him and thinks that view is nonsense.

For those who make the claim of "fake dinosaur bones" - of course God is CAPABLE of that, because God is capable of anything, but the more relevant question is WHY would God do that, and why is it rational or logical for me to think that He did?

[MassuhDGoodName]

Re:  "I wouldn't call the Lubavitcher rebbe any names like I would call you.   However, he had some very mistaken views and so did his chassidim! "

Rabbi Schneerson was a highly educated individual, fully versed in all the modern sciences, and successfully defended his geocentric Torah view of the Earth's relations to the Universe to his Physics Professor in front of his entire class at the Sorbonne in Paris!

When his Professor challenged young Schneerson to defend his "antiquated" and "backwards" view, Schneerson calmly replied that each celestial body exists in a Universe with no known boundaries, in which there is no "stationary starting point" for measuring the movements of any one celestial body in relation to any of the others.

Furthermore, he continued, the Solar System, along with the infinite Universe, exists in a state of constant flux and motion, and as a result no one can declare any one place in it to be "home base".

Neither can anyone prove the permanent location of Earth within the vastness of a Universe in constant motion.

Therefore, Schneerson concluded, is it not a fact that under such conditions, to say that the Sun is the center of our planetary orbits is nor more provable than to say that the Earth is the center of the known Universe? --

Is this not so according to the Laws of Physics?

Astonished, the Sorbonne Professor conceded to the entire class that Rabbi Schneerson's position was unassailable and equally as valid as the more commonly accepted theory.

This account is true.

[MassuhDGoodName]

Re:  "of course G-d is CAPABLE of that, because G-d is capable of anything "

Whaaaaaa!

This is the exact position of those who claim that G-d DID become a flesh and blood man and demanded that all worship and acknowledge the incarnation!

Now you've really stepped in it!     

[MassuhDGoodName]

Re:  "Ever stop and consider that maybe this chabad rabbi was incorrect? "

Well ... I almost started to consider the possibility of that being the case, but then I remembered that it is the greatest violation of Torah Law and an unforgivable sin to talk bad about an esteemed scholar of Torah!

How dare you!

No one has the right to question anything ... ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!! ... that a Torah scholars says ... or ... does.

[wonga66]

 The Rebbe is absolutely right that according to Relativity, to say that the Sun is going round the Earth, is a perfectly fully scientifically valid model of the universe:

"If the Galileo Affair had taken place after Einstein had framed his General Theory, it would have resulted in an even draw out of physical and mathematical necessity" (Sir Fred Hoyle).

"The struggle, so violent in the early days of science, between the views of Ptolemy and Copernicus would then be quite meaningless. Either CS could be used with equal justification. The two sentences, 'the sun is at rest and the earth moves,' or 'the sun moves and the earth is at rest,' would simply mean two different conventions concerning two different CS." (Albert Einstein)

"Whether the earth rotates once a day from west to east as Copernicus taught, or the heavens revolve once a day from east to west as his predecessors held, the observable phenomena will be exactly the same: a metaphysical assumption has to be made". (Bertrand Russell)

[muman613]

Re:  "Ever stop and consider that maybe this chabad rabbi was incorrect? "

Well ... I almost started to consider the possibility of that being the case, but then I remembered that it is the greatest violation of Torah Law and an unforgivable sin to talk bad about an esteemed scholar of Torah!

How dare you!

No one has the right to question anything ... ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!! ... that a Torah scholars says ... or ... does.

Massuh,

Sometimes you are just totally full of it... You are misrepresenting the Torah by stating these kinds of things. It is wrong to denigrate and belittle a Torah scholar, but it is not an unforgivable sin as you say... Where did you learn some of these wild ideas? And I know it was not from Chabad...

[MassuhDGoodName]

Re:  "Where did you learn some of these wild ideas? And I know it was not from Chabad... "

Whaaaaaaaaa!   

What do you mean?     

[MassuhDGoodName]

Thanks, wonga66!

Finally the world knows the Ultimate Truth!

Einstein, the greatest scientific mind of the 20th Century, knew it when he declared "A body is only at complete rest when it is falling!"

Dinosaurs were walking the Earth not all too long ago.

I remember pulling my automobile up to the Sinclair Oil service station and saw one with my very own eyes!

I'm not making this up!

And don't nobody here try and tell me it was just the LSD because that had nothing to do with it!

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Re:  "of course G-d is CAPABLE of that, because G-d is capable of anything "

Whaaaaaa!

This is the exact position of those who claim that G-d DID become a flesh and blood man and demanded that all worship and acknowledge the incarnation!

Now you've really stepped in it!     

When you cut off the rest of my sentence, you hide its context, and you have distorted what I said.

[muman613]

Thanks, wonga66!

Finally the world knows the Ultimate Truth!

Einstein, the greatest scientific mind of the 20th Century, knew it when he declared "A body is only at complete rest when it is falling!"

Dinosaurs were walking the Earth not all too long ago.

I remember pulling my automobile up to the Sinclair Oil service station and saw one with my very own eyes!

I'm not making this up!

And don't nobody here try and tell me it was just the LSD because that had nothing to do with it!

Ah, Purple Microdot...

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Re:  "I wouldn't call the Lubavitcher rebbe any names like I would call you.   However, he had some very mistaken views and so did his chassidim! "

Rabbi Schneerson was a highly educated individual, fully versed in all the modern sciences, and successfully defended his geocentric Torah view of the Earth's relations to the Universe to his Physics Professor in front of his entire class at the Sorbonne in Paris!

Source please.    

Really, where did you get this from?  


Secondly, why does it matter that he presented a mistaken view in front of what you imply were important people?   Presenting it does not make it correct.


If a professor conceded to his argument then it is quite possible that a moron became a professor.  That does not make his argument true.

[cjd]

Thanks, wonga66!

Finally the world knows the Ultimate Truth!

Einstein, the greatest scientific mind of the 20th Century, knew it when he declared "A body is only at complete rest when it is falling!"

Dinosaurs were walking the Earth not all too long ago.

I remember pulling my automobile up to the Sinclair Oil service station and saw one with my very own eyes!

I'm not making this up!

And don't nobody here try and tell me it was just the LSD because that had nothing to do with it!

Massuh, Are you sure you were not visiting the  Sinclair Dino Land Pavilion at the New York Worlds Fair back in 65
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hollywoodplace/4298480228/

[muman613]

http://www.chabad.org/therebbe/article_cdo/aid/73253/jewish/The-Wager.htm
The Wager

In the summer of 1975, an encounter took place between Rabbi F.R., a Lubavitcher chassid, and Mr. A.P., a "modernized" American Jew. Rabbi R. was seeking to influence Mr. P. toward a greater commitment to Torah observance, which the latter dismissed as "archaic" and dismally outdated. In the course of the conversation, Mr. P. said, "Are you telling me that every law and practice mentioned in the Torah, written thousands of years ago, must be accepted at face value today?" "Certainly,” replied Rabbi R. "The Torah is eternal, and is equally pertinent to every day and age." "The Torah states that the sun revolves around the earth," countered Mr. P. "Do you believe that as well?" "Yes, I do," replied Rabbi R. "Well, you might believe that," said Mr. P., "but no rational, self-respecting inhabitant of the 20th century does. I’m sure your rebbe, Rabbi Schneerson, doesn’t!" "I’m sure he does," said the rabbi. "I’m willing to wager anything that he does not," said Mr. P. "In fact, I’ll say this: If the Rebbe states that he believes that the sun revolves around the earth, I will become a Torah-observant Jew and convince everyone I know to do the same!" "Would you put that in writing?" challenged Rabbi R. "No problem," said Mr. P.

Soon after, Rabbi R. received the following letter:

Dear Rabbi R____

As per our conversation of today... I did say to you, and am submitting the same in writing by means of this letter, that if the Rebbe would make a public statement to the effect that... since the Talmud states that the sun revolves around the earth, it is therefore his firm belief that the sun does indeed revolve around the earth, that I will:

(a) personally observe the laws of taharat hamishpachah, tefillin and Shabbat; and

(b) influence my friends and colleagues to do the same.

It is, however, more than obvious to me that the Rebbe will not, in any way, make such a ridiculous statement, because

(a) he does not wish to be labeled as a fool,

(b) he himself is not as foolish as some of his ardent but hypnotized followers.

I predict, with no hesitation, that I will not hear any more about this matter from you or from the Rebbe...

I must tell you that I feel a deep personal hurt when people such as you make such asinine, ridiculous statements and then hide your abysmal ignorance behind the facade of "Torah." Don’t you realize you can still be believers and not live 500 years behind the times?

Mr. P. received not one but two separate letters in reply from the Rebbe, plus a third, cover letter, which read as follows:

Greetings and blessings!

Your letter, addressed to Rabbi F____ R____, reached me ... In view of its content, I naturally take this first opportunity of replying to it.

Not knowing whether you are more interested in the practical implication, or/and in the scientific aspect, I am writing two separate replies, enclosed herewith, which you can read in the order you prefer.

With esteem and blessing,

M. Schneerson

P.S. It is surely unnecessary to add-though I am adding it for the record-that I take for granted that you will keep your commitments with regard to the practical aspects of your letter.

One letter read:

... In reply to your question relating to the matter of the motion of the sun and the earth, whether the sun revolves around the earth or the earth around the sun,

It is my firm belief that the sun revolves around the earth, as I have also declared publicly on various occasions and in discussion with professors specializing in this field of science.

In view of the above, I have no objection, of course, if you wish to make this view known to whomever you choose...

The other letter read:

... This is in reply to your inquiry on the question of the rotation of the sun and the earth in relation to each other, namely, whether the sun revolves around the earth, or the earth around the sun, and which view is to be accepted, etc.

I presume you have in mind the scientific view, i.e., what science has to say on this question, and I will address myself to this aspect.

It is well known that this was a controversial issue in ancient and medieval science. However, since about half a century ago, with the introduction of the theory of relativity, the latter has been universally accepted as the basis of modern science...

One of the conclusions of the theory of relativity is that when there are two systems, or planets, in motion relative to each other-such as the sun and the earth in our case-either view, namely the sun rotating around the earth, or the earth rotating around the sun, has equal validity. Thus, if there are phenomena that cannot be adequately explained on the basis of one of these views, such difficulties have their counterpart also if the opposite view is accepted.

Secondly, the scientific conclusion that both views have equal validity is the result not of any inadequacy of available scientific data, or of technological development (measuring instruments, etc.), in which case it could be expected that further scientific or technological advancement might clear up the matter eventually and decide in favor of one or the other view. On the contrary, the conclusion of contemporary science is that regardless of any future scientific advancement, the question as to which is our planetary center, the sun or the earth, must forever remain unresolved, since both view(s) will always have the same scientific validity, as stated.

Thirdly, it follows that anyone declaring that a person who chooses to accept one of these systems in preference to the other is a fool, while one who accepts the other is a wise man-such a judgment shows that the person making it is ignorant of the conclusions of modern science, or that he has not advanced beyond the science of Ptolemy and Copernicus...

A further point might be added, though perhaps not pertinent to our discussion. It is that every person, including modern scientists, actually has three options to choose from in this matter: (a) that A revolves around B, (b) that B revolves around A, (c) that A and B revolve around each other. But such a choice cannot be dictated by science; it would be one’s personal choice and belief.

What has been said above is-to repeat-the deduction of the theory of relativity, as it is expounded in various scientific texts, and it can be checked with any scientist who is thoroughly familiar with the said theory. Of course, on the elementary and high-school level, science in general, and the so-called Solar System in particular, is taught from relatively simple textbooks, and the change in the scientific attitude towards the subject under discussion is not emphasized. But, as stated, it would be quite simple to verify it with any scientist who knows this particular field...

[MassuhDGoodName]

Re:  "Are you sure you were not visiting the  Sinclair Dino Land Pavilion at the New York Worlds Fair back in 65
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hollywoodplace/4298480228/ "

OMG!  OMG!  OMG!!!

IT'S THEM!

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Re:  "Ever stop and consider that maybe this chabad rabbi was incorrect? "

Well ... I almost started to consider the possibility of that being the case, but then I remembered that it is the greatest violation of Torah Law and an unforgivable sin to talk bad about an esteemed scholar of Torah!  

How dare you!

Wrong.   The entire Talmud is full of Torah scholars saying views opposite to each other and insisting the other is wrong.  

You really have no idea what you are talking about.   You can't INSULT a Torah scholar.    But suggesting he made a mistake or even moreso that he has an incorrect opinion or mistaken view is certainly permitted.   Whoever told you that you have to worship Torah scholars was teaching you avoda zara instead of Judaism.

No one has the right to question anything ... ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!! ... that a Torah scholars says ... or ... does.

Nice straw-man.   Is there a reason you are trying to ridicule Judaism with your caricatures?    If you really believe this, you are mistaken.   However, I don't believe that you really believe this.  I think you are being deceptive in order to paint Judaism and its followers negatively.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Re:  "Ever stop and consider that maybe this chabad rabbi was incorrect? "

Well ... I almost started to consider the possibility of that being the case, but then I remembered that it is the greatest violation of Torah Law and an unforgivable sin to talk bad about an esteemed scholar of Torah!

How dare you!

No one has the right to question anything ... ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!! ... that a Torah scholars says ... or ... does.

Massuh,

Sometimes you are just totally full of it... You are misrepresenting the Torah by stating these kinds of things. It is wrong to denigrate and belittle a Torah scholar, but it is not an unforgivable sin as you say...

Muman, I didn't denigrate or belittle a Torah scholar.   

And what Massuh said is actually even more insane because he is insisting that it's an unforgivable sin to DISAGREE with a Torah scholar.   This is just plain deception and falsehood.

I urge the members here to cease falsification of the Torah - for to falsify the Torah really is a sin!

[MassuhDGoodName]

Re:  "When you cut off the rest of my sentence, you hide its context, and you have distorted what I said. "

Well, "What's good for the goose, is good for the gander" !      

[MassuhDGoodName]

Re:  "to falsify the Torah really is a sin! "

Well, at least you're willing to confess!

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

http://www.chabad.org/therebbe/article_cdo/aid/73253/jewish/The-Wager.htm
The Wager

In the summer of 1975, an encounter took place between Rabbi F.R., a Lubavitcher chassid, and Mr. A.P., a "modernized" American Jew. Rabbi R. was seeking to influence Mr. P. toward a greater commitment to Torah observance, which the latter dismissed as "archaic" and dismally outdated. In the course of the conversation, Mr. P. said, "Are you telling me that every law and practice mentioned in the Torah, written thousands of years ago, must be accepted at face value today?" "Certainly,” replied Rabbi R. "The Torah is eternal, and is equally pertinent to every day and age." "The Torah states that the sun revolves around the earth," countered Mr. P. "Do you believe that as well?" "Yes, I do," replied Rabbi R. "Well, you might believe that," said Mr. P., "but no rational, self-respecting inhabitant of the 20th century does. I’m sure your rebbe, Rabbi Schneerson, doesn’t!" "I’m sure he does," said the rabbi. "I’m willing to wager anything that he does not," said Mr. P. "In fact, I’ll say this: If the Rebbe states that he believes that the sun revolves around the earth, I will become a Torah-observant Jew and convince everyone I know to do the same!" "Would you put that in writing?" challenged Rabbi R. "No problem," said Mr. P.

Soon after, Rabbi R. received the following letter:

Dear Rabbi R____

As per our conversation of today... I did say to you, and am submitting the same in writing by means of this letter, that if the Rebbe would make a public statement to the effect that... since the Talmud states that the sun revolves around the earth, it is therefore his firm belief that the sun does indeed revolve around the earth, that I will:

(a) personally observe the laws of taharat hamishpachah, tefillin and Shabbat; and

(b) influence my friends and colleagues to do the same.

It is, however, more than obvious to me that the Rebbe will not, in any way, make such a ridiculous statement, because

(a) he does not wish to be labeled as a fool,

(b) he himself is not as foolish as some of his ardent but hypnotized followers.

I predict, with no hesitation, that I will not hear any more about this matter from you or from the Rebbe...

I must tell you that I feel a deep personal hurt when people such as you make such asinine, ridiculous statements and then hide your abysmal ignorance behind the facade of "Torah." Don’t you realize you can still be believers and not live 500 years behind the times?

Mr. P. received not one but two separate letters in reply from the Rebbe, plus a third, cover letter, which read as follows:

Greetings and blessings!

Your letter, addressed to Rabbi F____ R____, reached me ... In view of its content, I naturally take this first opportunity of replying to it.

Not knowing whether you are more interested in the practical implication, or/and in the scientific aspect, I am writing two separate replies, enclosed herewith, which you can read in the order you prefer.

With esteem and blessing,

M. Schneerson

P.S. It is surely unnecessary to add-though I am adding it for the record-that I take for granted that you will keep your commitments with regard to the practical aspects of your letter.

One letter read:

... In reply to your question relating to the matter of the motion of the sun and the earth, whether the sun revolves around the earth or the earth around the sun,

It is my firm belief that the sun revolves around the earth, as I have also declared publicly on various occasions and in discussion with professors specializing in this field of science.

In view of the above, I have no objection, of course, if you wish to make this view known to whomever you choose...

The other letter read:

... This is in reply to your inquiry on the question of the rotation of the sun and the earth in relation to each other, namely, whether the sun revolves around the earth, or the earth around the sun, and which view is to be accepted, etc.

I presume you have in mind the scientific view, i.e., what science has to say on this question, and I will address myself to this aspect.

It is well known that this was a controversial issue in ancient and medieval science. However, since about half a century ago, with the introduction of the theory of relativity, the latter has been universally accepted as the basis of modern science...

One of the conclusions of the theory of relativity is that when there are two systems, or planets, in motion relative to each other-such as the sun and the earth in our case-either view, namely the sun rotating around the earth, or the earth rotating around the sun, has equal validity. Thus, if there are phenomena that cannot be adequately explained on the basis of one of these views, such difficulties have their counterpart also if the opposite view is accepted.

Secondly, the scientific conclusion that both views have equal validity is the result not of any inadequacy of available scientific data, or of technological development (measuring instruments, etc.), in which case it could be expected that further scientific or technological advancement might clear up the matter eventually and decide in favor of one or the other view. On the contrary, the conclusion of contemporary science is that regardless of any future scientific advancement, the question as to which is our planetary center, the sun or the earth, must forever remain unresolved, since both view(s) will always have the same scientific validity, as stated.

Thirdly, it follows that anyone declaring that a person who chooses to accept one of these systems in preference to the other is a fool, while one who accepts the other is a wise man-such a judgment shows that the person making it is ignorant of the conclusions of modern science, or that he has not advanced beyond the science of Ptolemy and Copernicus...

A further point might be added, though perhaps not pertinent to our discussion. It is that every person, including modern scientists, actually has three options to choose from in this matter: (a) that A revolves around B, (b) that B revolves around A, (c) that A and B revolve around each other. But such a choice cannot be dictated by science; it would be one’s personal choice and belief.

What has been said above is-to repeat-the deduction of the theory of relativity, as it is expounded in various scientific texts, and it can be checked with any scientist who is thoroughly familiar with the said theory. Of course, on the elementary and high-school level, science in general, and the so-called Solar System in particular, is taught from relatively simple textbooks, and the change in the scientific attitude towards the subject under discussion is not emphasized. But, as stated, it would be quite simple to verify it with any scientist who knows this particular field...

Basically The Lubavitcher Rebbe, in another letter I've seen written to a scientist, argues against the concept of induction.  This is his real anti-science position and the basic source for his views and the views Lubavitchers adopt about the "limitations" of science.  However, induction is the best way at approximating reality and arriving at the truth. 

I'll give you a basic example.    A volume graph over 4 varying gas pressures.    The x axis is the increasing pressure, and the Y axis is increasing volume.    There will be four data points, and since gas pressure is inversely related to the volume of the gas, as the pressure increases, the volume will decrease.   So the 4 data points will point diagonally downward from left to right.    You connect those lines forming a "curve" - a "best-fit" line.    Then you analyze that best-fit line you've drawn, to create a model.   Now with this model, you can predict for a given pressure, what volume the gas will be.      Rabbi Schneerson is basically saying that this line is not 100% precise.    Of course it's not.   That's why scientific analyses require more than 4 data points, and the best-fit lines such as this incorporate the error in the data for example with the R value.   With more data points, you get a better R value, less error, and more accurate model to predict from a given pressure, what the volume will be, by plugging the value into the equation for your line.     Of course, there are always outliers and there are other factors involved (Real gas theory vs. Ideal gas) yet this is an approximation with the error accounted for.     That is really the applicability of the above letter.    So not only does the letter not really refute the use of mathematical models to approximate data points, there is a whole lot of science that has nothing to do with drawing best-fit lines!


In the letter you cite, I think it speaks for itself.   He believed that the sun revolves around the earth.   He was wrong about that.   Sorry.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Re:  "to falsify the Torah really is a sin! "

Well, at least you're willing to confess!

Why don't you point to something I falsified?   Quote me.

I am not distorting and falsifying anything here.    From what I can see, you are the only one doing that in this thread.    Is this some kind of school-kid peewee herman defense "I know you are but what am I" because I called you out on what you were doing?   So you project your own deception onto me?   

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Re:  "When you cut off the rest of my sentence, you hide its context, and you have distorted what I said. "

Well, "What's good for the goose, is good for the gander" !      

So... you're saying you're a clown?

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

People here should realize how many disagreements there are among rabbis and how many rabbis there are that disagree with Chabadniks all the time about a host of subjects.  If you prop up any man as speaking the gospel or being infallible, spiritually you are treading thin ice, and you are in serious danger of worshiping a man.  I would advise readers strongly against this.

[muman613]

People here should realize how many disagreements there are among rabbis and how many rabbis there are that disagree with Chabadniks all the time about a host of subjects.  If you prop up any man as speaking the gospel or being infallible, spiritually you are treading thin ice, and you are in serious danger of worshiping a man.  I would readers advise strongly against this.

There are other Rabbis who have made such statements. Rather that brush them off and discount them, it would be wise to try to understand what they are saying.

About what the Chabad Rebbe said:

I would be willing to meet him halfway if the statement was rephrased... I do believe that the earth 'revolves' around the sun... But simultaneously I believe that the Earth is the CENTER of the Universe. From our perspective, which is the perspective which Hashem gave us, the Earth is the sole reason for creation. It is the CENTER of the Universe so to speak. But when we look at the solar system and can measure the time it takes the satellites to orbit, we can see that the earth is revolving around the sun. I can hold these two concepts in my mind at the same time and it makes sense. The human mind is limited and we often find it difficult to conceive of concepts which seem contradictory.