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Chai:
With the Shalom acshav people at least you know what you are getting. Its deplorable to be under the guise of Khanisim when your are just a secular zionist.
If you are a secular Zionist then G-d bless you but don't pretend that you are something you are not
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Chai on October 21, 2010, 02:42:42 AM ---With the Shalom acshav people at least you know what you are getting. Its deplorable to be under the guise of Khanisim when your are just a secular zionist.
If you are a secular Zionist then G-d bless you but don't pretend that you are something you are not
--- End quote ---
Look, I don't know what massuh "is" but suppose for a second that you're right. Pretending- sure, that's bad and all but..... Hitler?
Chai:
Well if he is a secular Zionist no , but if he parades around calling him himself a Kahanist and spewing these ideas?? are you kidding me?? YES!! lol thats so dangerous and corrupting!
Muck DeFuslims:
--- Quote from: Chai on October 21, 2010, 02:42:42 AM ---Its deplorable to be under the guise of Khanisim when your are just a secular zionist.
If you are a secular Zionist then G-d bless you but don't pretend that you are something you are not
--- End quote ---
I don't think the Rav would consider non-observant Jews that endorsed his political agenda to be 'deplorable' nor do I believe he would have rejected their support because they're 'just' secular zionists.
He might not have considered them Kahanists in the purest sense, but I don't think he would have rejected them or dismissed them as 'pretenders'.
No, I think he would have welcomed their support and hoped that one day they would more closely conform to all aspects of Kahanism.
He was wise enough and practical enough to understand that Israeli society could not and would not be transformed overnight, and that a proper addressing of Israel's most dire problems through Kahanist action would require the endorsement of it's Jewish citizenry, observant and secular alike.
But you're entitled to your own opinion and definition of what exactly constitutes being a Kahanist.
Chai:
--- Quote from: Muck DeFuslims on October 21, 2010, 03:42:34 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chai on October 21, 2010, 02:42:42 AM ---Its deplorable to be under the guise of Khanisim when your are just a secular zionist.
If you are a secular Zionist then G-d bless you but don't pretend that you are something you are not
--- End quote ---
I don't think the Rav would consider non-observant Jews that endorsed his political agenda to be 'deplorable' nor do I believe he would have rejected their support because they're 'just' secular zionists.
He might not have considered them Kahanists in the purest sense, but I don't think he would have rejected them or dismissed them as 'pretenders'.
No, I think he would have welcomed their support and hoped that one day they would more closely conform to all aspects of Kahanism.
He was wise enough and practical enough to understand that Israeli society could not and would not be transformed overnight, and that a proper addressing of Israel's most dire problems through Kahanist action would require the endorsement of it's Jewish citizenry, observant and secular alike.
But you're entitled to your own opinion and definition of what exactly constitutes being a Kahanist.
--- End quote ---
+1
I agree with this, but Massa is way past this. He crosses that line.
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