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Why did Mackab take down his comment on what is going on Passaic. NJ

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Lisa:

--- Quote ---However, if guys are timid, and feel like they'll never be able to find another woman, that is a huge problem and leads decent men to put up with crap they shouldn't....
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I think these things can also be said of some women who put up with bad behavior of men just for the sake of having a boyfriend, or because they fear they won't be able to find another nicer man. 

Maccabi:
depends what you call bad behavior.

If you were talking about an abusive man or someone who is pathelogically dishonest then I would agree.

if you mean 'Getting some milk without buying the cow' then I would have to absolutely disagree with you and I would then in fact categorize you as someone who I would not want any girlfriend of mine to associate with under any circumstances.

Lisa:

--- Quote ---if you mean 'Getting some milk without buying the cow' then I would have to absolutely disagree with you and I would then in fact categorize you as someone who I would not want any girlfriend of mine to associate with under any circumstances.
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All I'm saying is that there are also some women who put up with bad behavior from some men, just as there are men who put up with bad behavior from some women.  How is that the same as condoning "getting some milk without buying the cow?" (which I am completely against)

Lisa:
Also, being a "nice guy" is not the same as being a pushover.  You can be nice and set boundaries as well. 

Maccabi:
well I guess we are at odds over the premarital sex issue.

The only reason I mentioned it was because I saw your other post a while back where you talked about your friend.

I don't know if I want to become religious, or a 'Kahanist' if that is what is expected as the standard of conduct...It is not a role-model of behavior I would want to advocate and then have to live up to.

I really like the works of Rabbi Kahane, but I'm really, really not into the whole zealotry for sexual purity thing and I would be very uncomfortable trying to be a voice of sexual morality against heterosexual premarital relations.  (Of course I have no problem with banning gay parades etc...and would be all for it)

Another thing I have a problem with is Jewish males not having sex with any girls but Jewish girls. Maybe if I lived in Israel it wouldn't be a problem because the temptation wouldn't be there and from the pictures I see there are some very, very attractive Jewish women there...

I hope I find a very beautiful Jewish woman to marry someday when I'm ready.

But here in the U.S. it seems ridiculous especially when a lot of the Jewish women are left-wingers.

Being with a certain woman on the principal of 'duty' is not a fun way to live...Maybe I'm selfish, but that's how I see it.

The sexual things I find abhorrant are pornography, homosexuality, prostitutes, swinger groups, and of course bestiality, and any other deviant stuff...I think all of it should be banned in Israel.

But consensual relationships between heterosexual adults I see little problem with.

As far as being a nice guy vs being a pushover...there is really a fine line.

BTW: To put it in your terms...Do you think it is wise to buy a cow without first trying the milk?

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