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What do you think of Friendship ?Putin and Croat Ustasha S.Mesich?
IsraeliGovtAreKapos:
--- Quote from: yaakov mendel on November 23, 2010, 02:49:14 AM ---
I find it rather disgusting that some of you defend Putin, an ally and a supporter of the Arab and the Iranian Nazis, who sells his nuclear technology to Iran as the Bolshevik whore he has always been, in a zionist forum. Chaim Ben Pesach goes to great lengths to defend the Serbs while some Serbs here claim allegiance to the viciously antisemitic culture of the Russians and to the Bolshevik regime that has been the greatest supporter of all the Muslims who have tried to destroy Israel since 1948. Whose side are you on ?
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If he didn't the Russians have physically murdered millions of Jews (in Nazi Czar-orchestrated Jihadist pogroms; by assisting Hitler "the ice breaker" to win the elections Germany by sacrificing the Communists in Germany and co-operating with Nazi Germany until 1941 by giving out money and weaponary and informing Soviet and Polish Jews to the Nazis; planning to the exterminate the entire Soviet Jewry; murdering hundreds of thousands Torah-observant Jews; expelling all of the Jewish Red Army soldiers and their families who served in WWII to concentration Gulag camps in Siberia [thus to death]; and the list goes on and on] throught history and spiritually murdered much more (burning down all Synagogues, forcebly converting Jews to Xtianity under the Czar and to Communist Atheism under the Communists using terror and pogroms, and the list goes on and on).
Kerber:
--- Quote from: yaakov mendel on November 23, 2010, 02:49:14 AM ---
I find it rather disgusting that some of you defend Putin, an ally and a supporter of the Arab and the Iranian Nazis, who sells his nuclear technology to Iran as the Bolshevik whore he has always been, in a zionist forum. Chaim Ben Pesach goes to great lengths to defend the Serbs while some Serbs here claim allegiance to the viciously antisemitic culture of the Russians and to the Bolshevik regime that has been the greatest supporter of all the Muslims who have tried to destroy Israel since 1948. Whose side are you on ?
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In order not to repeat myself,here's my reply:
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,50983.msg482636.html#new
Kerber:
Over 1000 Orthodox churches were destroyed,and almost ALL Orthodox priests were executed.The Russian intellectual elite was exterminated in gulags.Not just the Jewish people.
Yaakov Mendel:
I never claimed that Jews were the only religious group of people that was persecuted by the communists. Bolsheviks refuse to tolerate anything that is not Bolshevik, anyway, whether it is Jewish or not. But then I find it even more insane that some orthodox Serbs support Putin.
There is an important difference between persecuted Jews and persecuted Orthodox Christians in Russia, though : the persecution of Jews started long before the communists came to power, it was already virulent under the Czars, and often led by Orthodox priests and done in the name of Christianity, by the way.
As for America, I am certainly not so naive as to view the US as a systematic ally of Israel. The reality is much more complicated. First of all, America has been pressuring Israel to commit national suicide by giving her land to Arab Nazis for a very long time. That, to me, makes America an ennemy of Israel. Moreover, not only has America been selling all kinds of weapons to Arabs, but, even more seriously, America has saved the Arabs from a real military defeat on the ground every time the Israelis were in a position to crush the Arabs.
America, like every nation, pursues what it views as its own best interests.
Israel is fundamentally alone and should never rely on any outside help.
Kerber:
--- Quote from: yaakov mendel on November 23, 2010, 04:00:46 AM ---
I never claimed that Jews were the only religious group of people that was persecuted by the communists. Bolsheviks refuse to tolerate anything that is not Bolshevik, anyway, whether it is Jewish or not. But then I find it even more insane that some orthodox Serbs support Putin.
There is an important difference between persecuted Jews and persecuted Orthodox Christians in Russia, though : the persecution of Jews started long before the communists came to power, it was already virulent under the Czars, and often led by Orthodox priests and done in the name of Christianity, by the way.
As for America, I am certainly not so naive as to view the US as a systematic ally of Israel. The reality is much more complicated. First of all, America has been pressuring Israel to commit national suicide by giving her land to Arab Nazis for a very long time. That, to me, makes America an ennemy of Israel. Moreover, not only has America been selling all kinds of weapons to Arabs, but, even more seriously, America has saved the Arabs from a real military defeat on the ground every time the Israelis were in a position to crush the Arabs.
America, like every nation, pursues what it views as its own best interests.
Israel is fundamentally alone and should never rely on any outside help.
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I know there were pogroms and I do condemn that.Especially it is unacceptable that Orthodox priest start something like that since there is no any kind of justification in Orthodoxy to start any kind of violence unless it is a defensive war.
But, that is not related to Christian Orthodoxy as a religious belief. That is related to Russian imperialism in those times and the policy of assimilation which was mixed with religion ,where religion is maliciously used for the goals.I believe that policy was the reason for punishment from God allowing communists to come on power and start to exterminate everything.
If you come to Serbia and spend some time with our monks you could see that they would rather cut off their hand instead of raise it on someone else for religious causes.
But that Russia as it was ,good or bad, did enter the war against the Austro-Hungarian Empire because of their aggression on Serbia.That's historical fact which can't be forgotten in Serbia.Who knows if I would talk to you today if Russia let Serbia alone to fight Austrian,Hungarian,German,Bulgarian forces.
Considering Putin, I already wrote what I think of him. I think his policy is not good enough for Serbia(he withdraw his forces from Pristina airfield in Kosovo) and not good at all considering his help to Iran in nuclear program.I'm no big fan of Putin , but he's much better than any leader from EU or USA who are opened criminals and occupiers in Serbia.At least, if Putin is not helping to Serbia anything more than stopping of recognition of Kosovo in UN, he is not trying to destroy our state ,to occupy our land and destroy our Church like criminals from the Western societies in cooperation with muslims in Bosnia,Croats and Albanians - all ex or current nazis.
America... Well, you shell see how influential Jewish(those you call "leftists") are going to let you go ,just like in WWII when some rich Jewish were financing Hitler's party.
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