What do you think of Friendship ?Putin and Croat Ustasha S.Mesich?

[Boyana]

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0gdj4Uz8vB1Gt/610x.jpg

[Kerber]

What "friendship"? If a politician shake hand with the other one does that mean they are friends?

[Novakovic]

Indeed Kerber and Serbstvo.

You judge a person on his actions. But some people judge other people based on whose hands they are shaking? What must we do now? Break all our diplomatic relations with Russia?

[Boyana]

http://www.croatia.org/crown/articles/9095/1/Putin-in-Croatia---A-confirmation-of-Croatias-international-authority.html


Putin in Croatia?

[Kerber]

http://www.croatia.org/crown/articles/9095/1/Putin-in-Croatia---A-confirmation-of-Croatias-international-authority.html


Putin in Croatia?

Business is business.No friendship.

[voo-yo]

Russians are following their interests, we should follow ours. Only imbeciles think countries help other countries because they "like them".

[Novakovic]

The Serbs are a small nation. The Serbian interests rely to a certain degree on bigger and stronger countries. The interests of Russia are equal to the Serbian interests. Remember, the Serbs will always be considered by the West as the Russians of the Balkans. Being pro-EU and pro-Western will not change that.
Russia is not being defended in Moscow, but in Belgrade. If Belgrade collapses, it will have bad consequences for Russia.

[voo-yo]

Why do you live in Germany, if you love Russians so much? Go there.
Serbia is not a Russian province, and we'll do what we think it's right.

[Boyana]

For the fans of Vladimir Putin


http://listicles.thelmagazine.com/2010/03/12-pictures-of-vladimir-putin-being-badass/

[Novakovic]

Why do you live in Germany, if you love Russians so much? Go there.

My dear friend. This is not relevant at all.

Serbia is not a Russian province, and we'll do what we think it's right.

Even children understand that Serbia is an independent nation and not a province. It is not realistic to be scared of annexation by Russia. Russia has no territorial pretensions against Serbia. Russia and Serbia are traditional brother nations and calming that Serbia needs to distance from Russia is not a pro-Serbian attitude.

[Novakovic]

For the fans of Vladimir Putin
http://listicles.thelmagazine.com/2010/03/12-pictures-of-vladimir-putin-being-badass/

[voo-yo]

Why do you live in Germany, if you love Russians so much? Go there.

My dear friend. This is not relevant at all.

Serbia is not a Russian province, and we'll do what we think it's right.

Even children understand that Serbia is an independent nation and not a province. It is not realistic to be scared of annexation by Russia. Russia has no territorial pretensions against Serbia. Russia and Serbia are traditional brother nations and calming that Serbia needs to distance from Russia is not a pro-Serbian attitude.

We've been through this before. If it's in our interest, we'll work with them. If not, and it wouldn't be the first time, we won't be working with them. And if they are brothers to you, they are not to me. Just potential partners.

[Novakovic]

And if they are brothers to you, they are not to me. Just potential partners.

They are brothers of your forefathers, Voo-Yoo.
Your forefathers who identified themselves as Orthodox Serbs considered them as their brothers.

[voo-yo]

And if they are brothers to you, they are not to me. Just potential partners.

They are brothers of your forefather, Voo-Yoo.
Your forefathers who identified themselves as Orthodox Serbs considered them as their brothers.

That's a lie. They were desperate people who where under Turkish rule, asking help from anyone, including Austria. Russia sold us out many times before, and I don't blindly trust them.

[Novakovic]

That's a lie. They were desperate people who where under Turkish rule, asking help from anyone, including Austria. Russia sold us out many times before, and I don't blindly trust them.

That is not a lie my friend. Orthodox Serbs considered Russians as their brothers.
So, you forefathers who were Orthodox though so. You cannot ignore that and it is pretty odd to compare Austria [an occupying force] to mother Russia.

[voo-yo]

That's a lie. They were desperate people who where under Turkish rule, asking help from anyone, including Austria. Russia sold us out many times before, and I don't blindly trust them.

That is not a lie my friend. Orthodox Serbs considered Russians as their brothers.
So, you forefathers who were Orthodox though so. You cannot ignore that and it is pretty odd to compare Austria [an occupying force] to mother Russia.

You're such a repetitive tool. This is your third account (Dalmacija, SRP, Novakovic). Why do you keep coming back when you see this is not the place for your politics?

[Novakovic]

You're such a repetitive tool. This is your third account (Dalmacija, SRP, Novakovic). Why do you keep coming back when you see this is not the place for your politics?

What are you talking about now? You have no arguments, only odd talks.

[Boyana]

http://www.croatia.org/crown/articles/9095/1/Putin-in-Croatia---A-confirmation-of-Croatias-international-authority.html


Putin in Croatia?

Business is business.No friendship.

or The Membership Action Plan(NATO)


http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,6252197,00.html


Nato and Russia seek to  bury past difference

[Kerber]

For the fans of Vladimir Putin


http://listicles.thelmagazine.com/2010/03/12-pictures-of-vladimir-putin-being-badass/

Comparing to little girl Obama you can tell who is the man ...hahaha

[Yaakov Mendel]

I find it rather disgusting that some of you defend Putin, an ally and a supporter of the Arab and the Iranian Nazis, who sells his nuclear technology to Iran as the Bolshevik whore he has always been, in a zionist forum. Chaim Ben Pesach goes to great lengths to defend the Serbs while some Serbs here claim allegiance to the viciously antisemitic culture of the Russians and to the Bolshevik regime that has been the greatest supporter of all the Muslims who have tried to destroy Israel since 1948. Whose side are you on ?

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

I find it rather disgusting that some of you defend Putin, an ally and a supporter of the Arab and the Iranian Nazis, who sells his nuclear technology to Iran as the Bolshevik whore he has always been, in a zionist forum. Chaim Ben Pesach goes to great lengths to defend the Serbs while some Serbs here claim allegiance to the viciously antisemitic culture of the Russians and to the Bolshevik regime that has been the greatest supporter of all the Muslims who have tried to destroy Israel since 1948. Whose side are you on ?

If he didn't the Russians have physically murdered millions of Jews (in Nazi Czar-orchestrated Jihadist pogroms; by assisting Hitler "the ice breaker" to win the elections Germany by sacrificing the Communists in Germany and co-operating with Nazi Germany until 1941 by giving out money and weaponary and informing Soviet and Polish Jews to the Nazis; planning to the exterminate the entire Soviet Jewry; murdering hundreds of thousands Torah-observant Jews; expelling all of the Jewish Red Army soldiers and their families who served in WWII to concentration Gulag camps in Siberia [thus to death]; and the list goes on and on]  throught history and spiritually murdered much more (burning down all Synagogues, forcebly converting Jews to Xtianity under the Czar and to Communist Atheism under the Communists using terror and pogroms, and the list goes on and on).

[Kerber]

I find it rather disgusting that some of you defend Putin, an ally and a supporter of the Arab and the Iranian Nazis, who sells his nuclear technology to Iran as the Bolshevik whore he has always been, in a zionist forum. Chaim Ben Pesach goes to great lengths to defend the Serbs while some Serbs here claim allegiance to the viciously antisemitic culture of the Russians and to the Bolshevik regime that has been the greatest supporter of all the Muslims who have tried to destroy Israel since 1948. Whose side are you on ?

In order not to repeat myself,here's my reply:
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,50983.msg482636.html#new

[Kerber]

Over 1000 Orthodox churches were destroyed,and almost ALL Orthodox priests were executed.The Russian intellectual elite was exterminated in gulags.Not just the Jewish people.

[Yaakov Mendel]

I never claimed that Jews were the only religious group of people that was persecuted by the communists. Bolsheviks refuse to tolerate anything that is not Bolshevik, anyway, whether it is Jewish or not. But then I find it even more insane that some orthodox Serbs support Putin.
There is an important difference between persecuted Jews and persecuted Orthodox Christians in Russia, though : the persecution of Jews started long before the communists came to power, it was already virulent under the Czars, and often led by Orthodox priests and done in the name of Christianity, by the way.

As for America, I am certainly not so naive as to view the US as a systematic ally of Israel. The reality is much more complicated. First of all, America has been pressuring Israel to commit national suicide by giving her land to Arab Nazis for a very long time. That, to me, makes America an ennemy of Israel. Moreover, not only has America been selling all kinds of weapons to Arabs, but, even more seriously, America has saved the Arabs from a real military defeat on the ground every time the Israelis were in a position to crush the Arabs.
America, like every nation, pursues what it views as its own best interests.
Israel is fundamentally alone and should never rely on any outside help.

[Kerber]

I never claimed that Jews were the only religious group of people that was persecuted by the communists. Bolsheviks refuse to tolerate anything that is not Bolshevik, anyway, whether it is Jewish or not. But then I find it even more insane that some orthodox Serbs support Putin.
There is an important difference between persecuted Jews and persecuted Orthodox Christians in Russia, though : the persecution of Jews started long before the communists came to power, it was already virulent under the Czars, and often led by Orthodox priests and done in the name of Christianity, by the way.

As for America, I am certainly not so naive as to view the US as a systematic ally of Israel. The reality is much more complicated. First of all, America has been pressuring Israel to commit national suicide by giving her land to Arab Nazis for a very long time. That, to me, makes America an ennemy of Israel. Moreover, not only has America been selling all kinds of weapons to Arabs, but, even more seriously, America has saved the Arabs from a real military defeat on the ground every time the Israelis were in a position to crush the Arabs.
America, like every nation, pursues what it views as its own best interests.
Israel is fundamentally alone and should never rely on any outside help.

I know there were pogroms and I do condemn that.Especially it is unacceptable that Orthodox priest start something like that since there is no any kind of justification in Orthodoxy to start any kind of violence unless it is a defensive war.
But, that is not related to Christian Orthodoxy as a religious belief. That is related to Russian imperialism in those times and the policy of assimilation which was mixed with religion ,where religion is maliciously used for the goals.I believe that policy was the reason for punishment from God allowing communists to come on power and start to exterminate everything.
If you come to Serbia and spend some time with our monks you could see that they would rather cut off their hand instead of raise it on someone else for religious causes.
But that Russia as it was ,good or bad, did enter the war against the Austro-Hungarian Empire because of their aggression on Serbia.That's historical fact which can't be forgotten in Serbia.Who knows if I would talk to you today if Russia let Serbia alone to fight Austrian,Hungarian,German,Bulgarian forces.

Considering Putin, I already wrote what I think of him. I think his policy is not good enough for Serbia(he withdraw his forces from Pristina airfield in Kosovo) and not good at all considering his help to Iran in nuclear program.I'm no big fan of Putin , but he's much better than any leader from EU or USA who are opened criminals and occupiers in Serbia.At least, if Putin is not helping to Serbia anything more than stopping of recognition of Kosovo in UN, he is not trying to destroy our state ,to occupy our land and destroy our Church like criminals from the Western societies in cooperation with muslims in Bosnia,Croats and Albanians - all ex or current nazis.

America... Well, you shell see how influential Jewish(those you call "leftists") are going to let you go ,just like in WWII when some rich Jewish were financing Hitler's party.