Vatican's Complete Sellout On Contraception Causes Widespread Outrage

[syyuge]

By counting the muslamics among the victims, the case gets diluted.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

By counting the muslamics among the victims, the case gets diluted.

Even throwing Muslims into crematoria alive is too humane for them. (I give that example because that is what they fantasize about doing to 5 1/2 million Jews.)

[Sox7]

The RCC is a disgusting genocidal organization. Horrific persecution against Jews and Protestants and Orthodox Christians and even Muslims throughout history. Possibly even genocide against Jews (depending on how much the Nazis represented Catholic interests, many of them had Catholic roots) and definitely genocide against Orthodox Christians (WWII Croatia). It's a filthy organization full of gay pedophiles and mass-murdering beasts. Their views on condoms are irrelevant when they rape naive children (of their own parishoners!) during peacetime and exterminate "enemy" people during wartime.

... How can Muslims be "victims" of anything?

During the Crusades, Catholics killed Jews, Muslims, and Orthodox Christians. Ditto (sans Orthodox) for the Spanish Inquisition, in which both Jews and Muslims were killed.

I think Islam is just as filthy as the RCC, but I won't shy from the truth. Believe it or not, the RCC is even more vile than Islam.

You should write a book... "My World And Welcome To It" or even better "Why The RCC Is Even More Vile then Islam"  You made me laugh this morning my friend  Have a great day 

Truth hurts, no? I see them as twin evils. RCC are the smart ones and Islam are the dumb but more fanatical ones. Islam does the RCC's dirty work when it kills Jews and Orthodox Christians, but sometimes it "gets out of hand," i.e. Spain, Crusades, Siege of Vienna. Generally, they work together.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Why do you feel bad for any Muslims?

[Sox7]

The RCC is a disgusting genocidal organization. Horrific persecution against Jews and Protestants and Orthodox Christians and even Muslims throughout history. Possibly even genocide against Jews (depending on how much the Nazis represented Catholic interests, many of them had Catholic roots) and definitely genocide against Orthodox Christians (WWII Croatia). It's a filthy organization full of gay pedophiles and mass-murdering beasts. Their views on condoms are irrelevant when they rape naive children (of their own parishoners!) during peacetime and exterminate "enemy" people during wartime.

... How can Muslims be "victims" of anything?

During the Crusades, Catholics killed Jews, Muslims, and Orthodox Christians. Ditto (sans Orthodox) for the Spanish Inquisition, in which both Jews and Muslims were killed.

I think Islam is just as filthy as the RCC, but I won't shy from the truth. Believe it or not, the RCC is even more vile than Islam.

As a Catholic myself I just found your statement to be extremely offensive.   Who is raping children?? Gay pedophile and mass murdering beasts? Exactly who are your referring to and how dare you mix Catholics anywhere with the Muslims. Muslims are victims? What are you one yourself???

Catholic priests and monks rape Catholic children. It happened in the US, Ireland, Holland, Germany, everywhere. The RCC goes mass murdering beserk when wars happen. Then it all comes loose and their priests make sermons against "schismatics" and "heretics" and "evil Jews" while they cut peoples throats and throw them into pits.

I am not saying Muslims are victims IN GENERAL. I just said that the henchmen of the RCC did kill Muslim children, women, etc. during the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition. That is a fact. It doesn't mean I like Muslims at all.

[Sox7]

I just think he is a brainwashed, politically-correct product of mainstream education systems.

Ugh a leftist?

I am neither left nor right. You cannot easily categorize my political views.

[Sox7]

By counting the muslamics among the victims, the case gets diluted.

Even throwing Muslims into crematoria alive is too humane for them. (I give that example because that is what they fantasize about doing to 5 1/2 million Jews.)

See, I can't agree with this. I think Islam is vile but I don't want hundreds of millions of Muslims to be killed. I want them to stop being Muslims!

I would not support having all the Germans killed after WWII, despite the horror that the Nazis did.

[Rubystars]

Sox I would also like them to stop being Muslims. Unfortunately that will be almost impossible. I hope for a miracle to where they decide that Islam is a dirty, evil cult and leave it en masse.

[Sox7]

Sox I would also like them to stop being Muslims. Unfortunately that will be almost impossible. I hope for a miracle to where they decide that Islam is a dirty, evil cult and leave it en masse.

Islam and Roman Catholicism are ideologies, just like Communism and National Socialism. It is not a race or an ethnicity. They can choose to leave their sick religion. The question is: how can they be convinced that it is sick?

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Sox, some Catholics are very good people. Some Germans, albeit very few, are too. No Muslims are.

[Zelhar]

With Islam, waging war and repression comes directly from the mouth of their "prophet". Catholics are not muslims, they have a choice to do evil or good.

And Orthodox Christians have a choice too, and not all of them were as decent as the Serbs. Orthodox Christianity has its fair share of atrocities against Jews. Ever since the Russian empire and their Cossacks annexed Jewish populated lands in Europe they have been massacring and persecuting the Jewish people. And during the Holocaust, the Nazis had significant support amongst Orthodox nations, especially- In the Ukraine, Romania and the Baltic countries.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

With Islam, waging war and repression comes directly from the mouth of their "prophet". Catholics are not muslims, they have a choice to do evil or good.

And Orthodox Christians have a choice too, and not all of them were as decent as the Serbs. Orthodox Christianity has its fair share of atrocities against Jews. Ever since the Russian empire and their Cossacks annexed Jewish populated lands in Europe they have been massacring and persecuting the Jewish people. And during the Holocaust, the Nazis had significant support amongst Orthodox nations, especially- In the Ukraine, Romania and the Baltic countries.

Yes of course we acknowledge these atrocities, but we can't just say that all of Catholicism or all of Orthodoxy are like Islam.

[Zelhar]

With Islam, waging war and repression comes directly from the mouth of their "prophet". Catholics are not muslims, they have a choice to do evil or good.

And Orthodox Christians have a choice too, and not all of them were as decent as the Serbs. Orthodox Christianity has its fair share of atrocities against Jews. Ever since the Russian empire and their Cossacks annexed Jewish populated lands in Europe they have been massacring and persecuting the Jewish people. And during the Holocaust, the Nazis had significant support amongst Orthodox nations, especially- In the Ukraine, Romania and the Baltic countries.

Yes of course we acknowledge these atrocities, but we can't just say that all of Catholicism or all of Orthodoxy are like Islam.

DBF, did you miss the first paragraph I wrote: With Islam, waging war and repression comes directly from the mouth of their "prophet". Catholics are not muslims, they have a choice to do evil or good.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

With Islam, waging war and repression comes directly from the mouth of their "prophet". Catholics are not muslims, they have a choice to do evil or good.

And Orthodox Christians have a choice too, and not all of them were as decent as the Serbs. Orthodox Christianity has its fair share of atrocities against Jews. Ever since the Russian empire and their Cossacks annexed Jewish populated lands in Europe they have been massacring and persecuting the Jewish people. And during the Holocaust, the Nazis had significant support amongst Orthodox nations, especially- In the Ukraine, Romania and the Baltic countries.

Yes of course we acknowledge these atrocities, but we can't just say that all of Catholicism or all of Orthodoxy are like Islam.

DBF, did you miss the first paragraph I wrote: With Islam, waging war and repression comes directly from the mouth of their "prophet". Catholics are not muslims, they have a choice to do evil or good.

I got it, I was just emphasizing that.

[Serbian Canadian]

Apparently Sox is a Serb. I can understand his issues with the Vatican, but Islam has done much more to murder Serbs than Catholicism.

Um the biggest genocide against Serbs was committed by the Catholic Croats and the Vatican during WW2.

[Serbian Canadian]

The RCC is a disgusting genocidal organization. Horrific persecution against Jews and Protestants and Orthodox Christians and even Muslims throughout history. Possibly even genocide against Jews (depending on how much the Nazis represented Catholic interests, many of them had Catholic roots) and definitely genocide against Orthodox Christians (WWII Croatia). It's a filthy organization full of gay pedophiles and mass-murdering beasts. Their views on condoms are irrelevant when they rape naive children (of their own parishoners!) during peacetime and exterminate "enemy" people during wartime.

... How can Muslims be "victims" of anything?

During the Crusades, Catholics killed Jews, Muslims, and Orthodox Christians. Ditto (sans Orthodox) for the Spanish Inquisition, in which both Jews and Muslims were killed.

I think Islam is just as filthy as the RCC, but I won't shy from the truth. Believe it or not, the RCC is even more vile than Islam.

You should write a book... "My World And Welcome To It" or even better "Why The RCC Is Even More Vile then Islam"  You made me laugh this morning my friend  Have a great day 

Truth hurts, no? I see them as twin evils. RCC are the smart ones and Islam are the dumb but more fanatical ones. Islam does the RCC's dirty work when it kills Jews and Orthodox Christians, but sometimes it "gets out of hand," i.e. Spain, Crusades, Siege of Vienna. Generally, they work together.

Yes the RCC has committed a lot of atrocities throughout its history but please understand that there are a lot of righteous Catholics. The catholic members of this forum are good people and they're well aware of it. They don't want to have those facts constantly shoved down their throats.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Apparently Sox is a Serb. I can understand his issues with the Vatican, but Islam has done much more to murder Serbs than Catholicism.

Um the biggest genocide against Serbs was committed by the Catholic Croats and the Vatican during WW2.

I was counting the Islamic conquests and jihads from the 800s on through the present. Yes the Ustasha genocide was the largest single one but Islam has attacked the Serbs over a longer stretch of time.

[Lisa]

You guys, I can certainly understand people here disliking the Roman Catholic Church. 

But please let's be careful not to start bashing all Catholics.  We have wonderful Catholic members like Masterwolf, Bullcat3, CJD and Italian Zionist, who have been with us on this forum from the beginning. 

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

You guys, I can certainly understand people here disliking the Roman Catholic Church. 

But please let's be careful not to start bashing all Catholics.  We have wonderful Catholic members like Masterwolf, Bullcat3, CJD and Italian Zionist, who have been with us on this forum from the beginning. 

I thought I tried really hard not to do that.

[Dr. Dan]

No matter the religion or race we should hope to be able to do to antisemites what they want to do to us.

As far as condom use dbf and mw both bring up good points.

On another note while I might be against most abortions I'm not sure if I should be against them when evil people do it.

Also, Lisa, I think cjd is Jewish and not catholic.

[Rubystars]

I think babies should not be blamed for the sins of their parents. Just because a baby has evil parents doesn't mean they deserve to be murdered.

[Dr. Dan]

I think babies should not be blamed for the sins of their parents. Just because a baby has evil parents doesn't mean they deserve to be murdered.

It's a justified point of view that I don't have the right answer for.

When is it a baby?  For sure once it's born, it's definitely a baby. If is is just fertilized, is it a baby?
I believe also that all peoples have a chance to gain forgiveness. So I don't know who will ever remain hopelessly evil or who will change for the good.

[muman613]

I think babies should not be blamed for the sins of their parents. Just because a baby has evil parents doesn't mean they deserve to be murdered.

It's a justified point of view that I don't have the right answer for.

When is it a baby?  For sure once it's born, it's definitely a baby. If is is just fertilized, is it a baby?
I believe also that all peoples have a chance to gain forgiveness. So I don't know who will ever remain hopelessly evil or who will change for the good.

This is a very difficult dilemma which we cannot fully fathom because only Hashem knows everything. Hashem knows why the good die young and the old prosper. We certainly do not have the ability to understand the reason for suffering in this world. But we try as best we can to understand a little.

The Torah does teach that children do bear some sin as a result of the actions of their parents. This should be obvious to a religious Jew when he reads the second commandment of the Ten Commandments:

"You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, nor any manner of likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them, nor serve them. For I the Lord your G-d am a jealous G-d, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children of the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me; and showing mercy unto the thousandth generation of them that love Me and keep My commandments."

But we also believe that FREE WILL is the 'prime directive' which Hashem works with. That each and every human soul has the ability to decide good from evil and make the correct choice. So there seems to be a combination of pre-destiny and free-will going on.... I do not claim to understand...

Because of FREE WILL the opportunity for Jews to do Teshuva {Repentence/Return} exists. So even a wicked person can wake up one day and decide that he has done wrong, and makes a vow to change his ways, and works on character traits to the point he has perfected his soul.