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Its Official : 2nd Freeze Deal is Dead!!!
« on: December 07, 2010, 02:16:48 PM »
Hallelukah!

Thank Hashem for preventing this second building freeze. I hope that every Jew takes this opportunity to build as much as they can for as long as they can. I hope that the PA rots so that we can begin to ship those arabs out of Israel...

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/141037

It's Official: Freeze Deal has Failed
Kislev 30, 5771, 07 December 10 10:58
by Maayana Miskin


(Israelnationalnews.com) Talks between the United States and Israel over the possibility of a second ban on construction for Jews living east of the 1949 armistice line have failed. On Tuesday night, politicians from both countries will publicly admit that the freeze deal will not work, according to Channel 2 news.

Israel banned Jews in Judea, Samaria and much of Jerusalem from building any new structures, or additions to existing homes, for 10 months in an attempt to bring the Palestinian Authority to the negotiating table.

PA leaders ignored the gesture for several months, then began talks as the construction freeze drew to a close – and demanded that the freeze continue. When construction resumed – solely within the city limits of existing Israeli towns - they left talks and have not returned.

The U.S. pushed Israel to give in to PA demands for another freeze. Initial reports suggested that the U.S. would intervene to make a second, even stricter freeze worth Israel's while, by offering a promise that there would be no pressure for a third freeze, and giving Israel several warplanes.

Later reports clarified that the U.S. was not willing to offer any of the commitments that had been suggested. One diplomat accused U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and U.S. President Barack Obama of pulling a “bait and switch” on Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, with Clinton making promises but then rescinding them after talks of a second freeze went public, citing Obama's disapproval.

While freeze talks continued between Israel and the U.S., the PA found itself off the hook, with little pressure to return to the negotiating table. Israeli journalist Uri Elitzur had previous suggested that PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas had planned all along for talks to break down, and was hoping not for a negotiated settlement, but rather, for international agreement on the borders of a PA state.

If that was Abbas' plan, he saw some success this week, as Argentina and Brazil said they would recognize a PA state on all the land east of the 1949 armistice line. The territory in question is home to approximately 500,000 Jews, along with up to 1.5 million Arabs, and includes historically Jewish towns as well as the Temple Mount, the Tomb of the Patriarchs, and Rachel's Tomb, Judaism's first, second, and third most holy sites respectively.
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Re: Its Official : 2nd Freeze Deal is Dead!!!
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2010, 02:35:21 PM »
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Re: Its Official : 2nd Freeze Deal is Dead!!!
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2010, 02:42:39 PM »
I guarantee this thing will rear its ugly (the freeze not HIllary although confusion would be understandable) head again soon.  This  never goes away.
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Re: Its Official : 2nd Freeze Deal is Dead!!!
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2010, 06:00:14 PM »
It looks like America has resigned to the fact that Israel will not resume a suicidal freeze..


http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/12/07/1962377/us-drops-push-for-israeli-freeze.html

U.S. drops push for Israeli freeze on settlement construction
 
By SHEERA FRENKEL
McClatchy Newspapers


JERUSALEM -- The U.S. has given up on trying to persuade Israel to declare a moratorium on new building in the West Bank in an effort to win Palestinian participation in face-to-face peace talks, the Obama administration said Tuesday.

"After consultation with the parties, we have determined that a moratorium extension will not at this time provide the best basis for resuming direct negotiations," according to a statement provided by the White House. A spokesman specified that the statement should be attributed to "U.S. officials."

The Palestinian Authority has insisted that it will not engage in direct talks with Israel unless Israel freezes all construction for Jewish settlers in the West Bank, something the Israelis have refused to do, even after the Obama administration offered to provide Israel with 20 F-35 fighter jets worth $3 billion in return for a 90-day freeze.

The official U.S. statement, however, rejected the idea that the peace talks are dead.

"In the coming days and weeks, we will engage with both sides on the core substantive issues at stake in this conflict, and with the Arab states and other international partners on creating a firm basis to work toward our shared goal of a framework agreement on all permanent status issues - a goal to which we and the parties remain committed," the statement said. "We will continue these efforts next week when the Israeli and Palestinian negotiators visit Washington next week."

There was no immediate reaction from either the Israelis or the Palestinians. Israeli officials have said that previous freezes did little to push forward talks, and accused the Palestinians of setting preconditions to the peace talks.

Earlier in the day, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak told a parliamentary committee that a deal was never reached on a building freeze because the U.S. was preoccupied with the diplomatic crisis over the WikiLeaks cables.

"At the moment, (the talks) have been completely halted," Barak told the Knesset's Committee on Foreign Affairs and Defense.

White House spokesman Tommy Vietor denied the WikiLeaks connection.

"That's completely inaccurate," he said in an e-mail. "There's no connection between WikiLeaks and these negotiations."

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas suggested in a television interview last week that he would dissolve the Palestinian government, a limited form of self-rule agreed in an interim deal in 1993, if a deal for statehood couldn't be achieved.

In March 2010, U.S. officials announced that they would begin mediating indirect "proximity" talks, which involved diplomats shuttling between Israeli and Palestinian leadership.

Those talks were expected to move toward direct negotiations, and the White House hosted a ceremony in September to announce the talks.

But the Israeli renewal of construction in the settlements just a few weeks later meant that the direct talks never got off the ground. The American negotiating team, led by U.S. Mideast envoy George Mitchell, has struggled to bring the two sides to the same negotiating table ever since.

(Frenkel is a McClatchy Newspapers special correspondent. Margaret Talev in Washington contributed to this report.)
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Re: Its Official : 2nd Freeze Deal is Dead!!!
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2010, 06:06:19 PM »
do you still want them to prosecute Assange?

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Re: Its Official : 2nd Freeze Deal is Dead!!!
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2010, 06:13:45 PM »
do you still want them to prosecute Assange?

I doubt this has anything to do with the Wikileaks. I think the Israeli leader was looking for an excuse to blame the breakdown on...

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Its Official : 2nd Freeze Deal is Dead!!!
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2010, 08:23:56 PM »
More BS from Lewinsky. The freeze is absolutely on and is permanent. This is nonsense jibberish reverse taqqiyah from Clinton and Obama's master fellator.

The only way to break the freeze is for Israelis in the territories to grow some brains and balls and start defying that Judenrat cockroach.

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Re: Its Official : 2nd Freeze Deal is Dead!!!
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2010, 08:25:21 PM »
More BS from Lewinsky. The freeze is absolutely on and is permanent. This is nonsense jibberish reverse taqqiyah from Clinton and Obama's master fellator.

The only way to break the freeze is for Israelis in the territories to grow some brains and balls and start defying that Judenrat cockroach.

Is this your feeling or do you have any sources to back this?

All media outlets continue to report that the freeze is off:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/07/AR2010120707310.html
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The Obama administration has abandoned its effort to persuade Israel  to renew a settlement construction freeze, which U.S. diplomats had hoped would invigorate moribund peace talks with the Palestinians.

http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=198419
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The US and Israel will announce on Tuesday night that negotiations to renew the moratorium on building in West Bank settlements have failed, Channel Two reported.

According to the report,  Israel will not receive F-35 fighter jets or other benefits from the US in exchange for a freeze, and peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians will, in the mean time, not be renewed.

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2010/12/07/general-us-us-mideast_8188004.html?boxes=Homepagebusinessnews
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WASHINGTON -- U.S. officials say the Obama administration is abandoning attempts to convince Israel to slow West Bank settlement construction as a way of reviving direct Israel-Palestinian peace talks.
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Its Official : 2nd Freeze Deal is Dead!!!
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2010, 08:27:10 PM »
... how about every waking move by Lewinsky dating to 1996?

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Re: Its Official : 2nd Freeze Deal is Dead!!!
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2010, 08:28:41 PM »
... how about every waking move by Lewinsky dating to 1996?

His history is indeed bleak... But maybe we were saved by dumb diplomats again..

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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