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Re: New Israeli tank defence system deployed
« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2010, 03:29:27 PM »
Do you get off on posting pics of Nazi soldiers and their toys?

The Geman Nazis were Amolekites, the grandson of Esau, the great grandson of Yitzchok Avinu. Yitzchok "blessed" Esau "you will live by the sword" (Breishis 27) , and the Amolekite Germans and their "toys" exemplify the fulfilment of this brochoh.

Esau and his warlike descendants (eg Sparta, Rome, Thrace, Carthage, Mocha, Botzra, Anatolia, Germania etc) in Hashem's original Plan were meant to have been the fighting arm of the Am Yisrael, whereby we could have conquered & Judaized the entire world.

Unfortunately they became our sworn enemies.
Correct Esau's head had the zachus to buried in the Maharas HaMachpala

http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,51736.0.html

LOL, his severed head.    Importantly, HE, Esau, as a whole being, did NOT merit to be buried there.   And that was precisely what the dispute was about!   This deed/merit lay with Yaakov and only yaakov.  It did not extend to Yitzhak's other son or to both sons.   The sages are asserting that along with the birthright that Esau sold to Yaakov, the right to burial in the place of his fathers in  Hevron came along with that.   I think you miss the point and distort the whole meaning by portraying it as "his head meriting to be buried there."   Btw, his head rolled into the grave, it wasn't placed there.   Think that's important?

This may not be completely on topic, but Chabad does have a very interesting article about Essau's head:

http://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/2712/jewish/The-Beheading-of-Esau.htm

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Showdown at Hebron

Jacob and Esau not only shared a set of parents and a birthday; they were also buried on the same day.

The Midrash relates that when Jacob's funeral procession reached the Cave of Machpelah in Hebron, the burial place of Abraham, Sarah, Isaac and Rebecca, they found Esau and his henchmen barring their path. Esau claimed that the sole remaining plot was his by inheritance, after Jacob had already taken his share when he buried his wife Leah in the cave. When Jacob's children maintained that their father had bought out his brother's share, Esau denied this. The transaction had been put in writing, but the deed was back in Egypt, and fleet-footed Naftali was dispatched to retrieve it. Chushim, the deaf son of Dan, asked what the commotion was all about and was incensed to learn that Esau had halted the funeral of his revered grandfather. With a mighty blow of his sword, Chushim severed Esau's head, which rolled into the Cave of Machpelah and came to rest in Isaac's lap, where it remains to this day. Thus it came to pass that "Esau's head lies in the bosom of Isaac."

Esau has a body and a head. Esau's "body" is the bulk and mass of his material life. But a material life is not necessarily a profane life. In essence, the physical reality is no less a creation of G‑d's, and no less holy and divine, than the loftiest spiritual existence; when properly harnessed and directed, the physical can be the greatest expression of the divine truth. Esau's "head" is the consciousness that imparts awareness, purpose and direction to brute matter.
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Thus was set the stage for the lifelong contest between the brothers "over the two worlds" of matter and spirit. Wrathfully, Esau watched Jacob's encroachment on "his" realm, as the latter obtained the blessings by connivance and stealth; he watched the guileless scholar turn wily entrepreneur, matching the conniving Laban trick for trick and amassing great material wealth.

Esau still had his "head," only now his spiritual motor made his corporeality all the more virulent. A "headless" body -- a physical life devoid of all ideal and direction -- is a negative thing; but when a head is subverted by its body, when a person's spiritual sensitivity and vitality have been commandeered to serve his material drives, this is a materialism that is far more lethal, infiltrating the soul's innermost chambers and poisoning what is finest in man and his world.

On the day that Jacob was laid to rest, Esau's head was severed from his body. The body, divorced from its spiritual vitality, went on to spawn the soulless materialism that is the commonplace challenge to the voice of Jacob. The head, freed from its corporeal subversion, was reunited with its source and kindred spirit in the bosom of Isaac.
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: New Israeli tank defence system deployed
« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2010, 03:33:21 PM »
Yes: you are delusional. 'Wonga' was my nickname at school, and the '66' was an option given to me by Hotmail 10 years ago!

All right, fair enough, but you will admit that given the admiration you have expressed for Nazis several times, it was not absurd to make such an assumption.
It's strange, I would never recall an option given to me by Hotmail 10 years ago, though...

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Re: New Israeli tank defence system deployed
« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2010, 03:34:59 PM »
But what didn't happen, didn't happen.   And what happened, happened.    We use the Torah we were given, not a hypothetical one that we make up on "what if's"

"What Ifs" are a far from vapid part of history study, and from them we can reverie about the pending Messianic Future, which is essential for the wellbeing of the true Jewish psyche.

The way the 2 Moshiachs handle their future conquests is far from set in stone, and Hashem has innumerable "WI" scenarios, as R.Kahane would empasize, ranging from glorious miraculous Jewish victories, to miserable equally unnatural defeats, depending on our merits or demerits, right now.

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Re: New Israeli tank defence system deployed
« Reply #28 on: December 20, 2010, 03:43:53 PM »
All right, fair enough, but you will admit that given the admiration you have expressed for Nazis several times

I revile the Nazis.

But some of their tactics have to be emulated if you want to get a job efficiently done eg beating the Ishmaelites. One of them was: Totaler Krieg, Kurzester Krieg -"The more total a war, the shorter will be that war"!

Don't forget that in the pre-war years before the Italians showed their Amolekite yichus, Jabotinsky & the Revisionist Zionists admired and modeled themselves in their uniforms, speeches and parades, on Mussolini and the Fascists.


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Re: New Israeli tank defence system deployed
« Reply #29 on: December 20, 2010, 04:33:04 PM »
I revile the Nazis.

But some of their tactics have to be emulated if you want to get a job efficiently done eg beating the Ishmaelites.

Still, let's not forget that, Baruch HaShem, they lost ! Should we emulate the tactics of losers ?

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Re: New Israeli tank defence system deployed
« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2010, 04:35:47 PM »
But what didn't happen, didn't happen.   And what happened, happened.    We use the Torah we were given, not a hypothetical one that we make up on "what if's"

"What Ifs" are a far from vapid part of history study, and from them we can reverie about the pending Messianic Future, which is essential for the wellbeing of the true Jewish psyche.

The way the 2 Moshiachs handle their future conquests is far from set in stone, and Hashem has innumerable "WI" scenarios, as R.Kahane would empasize, ranging from glorious miraculous Jewish victories, to miserable equally unnatural defeats, depending on our merits or demerits,


 ??? ??? ???

What you have described in this post are types of "What if" scenarios for FUTURE EVENTS.    Of course we have to consider the alternatives facing us and choose the right path and prepare for the future.



What I criticized before was your incessant latching on to "What if" scenarios about EVENTS THAT ALREADY HAPPENED A CERTAIN WAY, and are ALREADY DESCRIBED IN THE TORAH AS EVENTS WHICH HAPPENED IN THE PAST. AND WHICH YOU CANNOT CHANGE.
You cannot say "but what if Yaakov didn't buy the birthright from Esau" and then concoct some new scenario or new halacha based on that.  Yaakov did buy the birthright.   That happened.  And the other events in the Torah already happened.   We cannot change them or play "what if" about the past and then derive alternative worldviews such as "because if things were different Esau would have been more heroic, therefore lets praise the amaleki!"     That is insane!

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Re: New Israeli tank defence system deployed
« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2010, 04:37:42 PM »
All right, fair enough, but you will admit that given the admiration you have expressed for Nazis several times

I revile the Nazis.

But some of their tactics have to be emulated if you want to get a job efficiently done eg beating the Ishmaelites. One of them was: Totaler Krieg, Kurzester Krieg -"The more total a war, the shorter will be that war"!    

Oh and the nazi geniuses invented that idea?   LOL    Give me a freakin break.

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Don't forget that in the pre-war years before the Italians showed their Amolekite yichus, Jabotinsky & the Revisionist Zionists admired and modeled themselves in their uniforms, speeches and parades, on Mussolini and the Fascists.

The Revisionists were Fascists = more historical inaccuracy.

No doubt, this is how the labor zionist leaders used to slander them.

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Re: New Israeli tank defence system deployed
« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2010, 08:14:09 PM »
Just about any tank can be taken out with an accurate shot to the turret/hull junction. That is a weak spot, the "neck" of the vehicle. An especially advanced weapon is not needed.

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Re: New Israeli tank defence system deployed
« Reply #33 on: December 20, 2010, 08:16:38 PM »
Good question. And by the way, why won't you answer my question about your username ? Maybe I'm completely delusional and paranoid, but here is how I interpret your name.
1) "Wonga" is an old-fashioned word in British slang that means "money" and it is used by Nazis to refer to the money that Jews are supposed to have made out of what Nazis call "the Holohoax".
2) "66" refers to the 66 pseudo-objections raised by the IHR (Institute for Historical Review), a Nazi negationnist organization, against the reality of the Shoah.
Why do you pick a name that can be associated with a Nazi background ? Is it just a coincidence ? Were you not aware of it ? Did you mean something completely different ?
Haha looks like you've been pwned Mifletzet, beotch.  :laugh:

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Re: New Israeli tank defence system deployed
« Reply #34 on: December 20, 2010, 08:23:53 PM »
The Revisionists were Fascists = more historical inaccuracy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revisionist_Zionism
"Up to 1933, a number of members from the national-messianist wing of Revisionism were inspired by the fascist movement of Benito Mussolini. Abba Ahimeir was attracted to fascism for its staunch anti-communism and its focus on rebuilding the glory of the past, which national-messianists such as Uri Zvi Greenberg felt had much connection to their view of what the Revisionist movement should be."
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Re: New Israeli tank defence system deployed
« Reply #35 on: December 20, 2010, 08:34:39 PM »
The Revisionists were Fascists = more historical inaccuracy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revisionist_Zionism
"Up to 1933, a number of members from the national-messianist wing of Revisionism were inspired by the fascist movement of Benito Mussolini. Abba Ahimeir was attracted to fascism for its staunch anti-communism and its focus on rebuilding the glory of the past, which national-messianists such as Uri Zvi Greenberg felt had much connection to their view of what the Revisionist movement should be."


And the quote doesn't support you.   It supports me.   People distort that to say they were fascists.

It makes the Revisionists even more heroic that some of them were staunchly opposed to communism, unlike the commies of the labor movement.  That doesn't make them fascists.   A focus on rebuilding the past also does not make them fascists.   It makes them people who strived to rebuild past glory of the Jewish people.

  However, I think Jabotinsky might have mistakenly looked at certain communist concepts optimistically (I know at least Begin did because he expressed it in The Revolt).

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Re: New Israeli tank defence system deployed
« Reply #36 on: December 21, 2010, 08:50:34 AM »
This new tank is really something.  I hope that Israel takes every opportunity to modernize and create new weapon systems, I think it is vital for security in this modern age of new kinds of weapons that are much more effective!

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Re: New Israeli tank defence system deployed
« Reply #37 on: December 21, 2010, 10:14:32 AM »
This Israeli site describes Israel's weapon systems
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/israeli_weapons.html

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Re: New Israeli tank defence system deployed
« Reply #38 on: December 22, 2010, 08:58:49 AM »
A typical Israeli nymphette with Israel's own superior ATGM, the "Spike" missile


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Re: New Israeli tank defence system deployed
« Reply #39 on: December 22, 2010, 10:21:39 AM »
There are thunders and sparks in the skies, because Faraday invented the electricity.

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Re: New Israeli tank defence system deployed
« Reply #40 on: December 22, 2010, 01:10:38 PM »
It has been deployed and it works like a magnificiant charm, trophy active protection system is so high advanced that they have gone through 600 tests and only recieved only 2 errors. Imagine hizbullah firing the missles there either destroyed in flight or diverted to hit something else and the animals will be obliterated by our laser guided machine guns and the 120 mm cannon on the mkv 4, and the system coordinates the rate of fire.  :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:

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Re: New Israeli tank defence system deployed
« Reply #41 on: December 22, 2010, 02:21:41 PM »
A typical Israeli nymphette with Israel's own superior ATGM, the "Spike" missile
You have serious issues with women.

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Re: New Israeli tank defence system deployed
« Reply #42 on: December 22, 2010, 02:50:13 PM »
A typical Israeli nymphette
Why don't you just admit that you are attracted to men already, you worthless rectal ranger.