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Kahane-Was-Right BT:
Edu, your critique of codes is similar to the critique I have heard from several rabbis.   I did not meet even ONE rabbi in my yeshiva that actually promoted or believed in the idea of 'the Torah codes.'     

I read that in one study they used the codes in moby dick and found similar things.    And yet, the original proponents of the codes still stick to their story and insist it's accurate and unique to Torah, so I really don't understand how that can be.      But if a person is "convinced" to adhere to Torah by a presentation of "Torah codes"  (I think Aish used to do this, not sure if they still do), but then they see the report of this study and similarly the vast amount of mathematicians who dispute the technique (even some who originally were impressed by it), they will feel deceived and used and betrayed, and they will cheapen their view of the Torah and rabbis and they will quit it all chas veshalom.

muman613:
A very interesting 'coincidence' occurred this morning. I get a lot of emails from mail lists on various Torah topics from Rabbis at various organizations {Torah.org, Aish.com, TorahWeb, etc.}... This morning I read one which confirms something I posted last night about what brought me to strong emmunah in Hashem and Torah.

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http://www.torahweb.org/torah/2010/Parasha/rsob_vaera.html

The Eternal Morasha
by Rabbi Zvi Sobolofsky

There are two gifts that were bestowed upon the Jewish People that are referred to as a morasha. The first reference appears in Parashat Vaera (Shemos 6:8), where Hashem promises to bring the Jewish People into Eretz Yisroel and present it to them as a morasha. Moshe Rabbeinu, in his final words in Parashat Vezos Habracha (Devarim 33:4), provides the second reference when he describes the Torah as the morasha of the Jewish People. What is the significance of this term as it relates to these precious possessions of our people?

Morasha is related to the word yerusha - an inheritance - and yet it has a very different meaning. A yerusha belongs entirely to the recipient to do with it as he chooses. In contrast, a morasha is not an inheritance but rather a heritage. It must be preserved to be transmitted to subsequent generations. We are guardians over the precious gifts of Torah and Eretz Yisroel, making sure to hand them over to our children as we received them from our parents.

There is another important distinction between yerusha and morasha. A yerusha is received without any effort. However, one must earn the privilege of being part of a morasha. For this reason Chazal teach us (Berachos 5a) that Torah and Eretz Yisroel are acquired through suffering. Furthermore, a yerusha is only temporary. If the recipient consumes it during his lifetime, there is nothing left for the next generation. A morasha, by contrast, is eternal. Torah and Eretz Yisroel remain part of the heritage of the Jewish People for eternity.
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edu:
Just interested to ask you Muman613.
If you think that waiting until suffering wakes up a person, is the approach we should have in outreach, how do you explain that many people including Jews, experience suffering, which leads them  to want to adopt another religion or at least be anti-G-d.
How can you show that your conclusion from your suffering is more truthful than their conclusion?

muman613:

--- Quote from: edu on December 30, 2010, 04:10:24 PM ---Just interested to ask you Muman613.
If you think that waiting until suffering wakes up a person, is the approach we should have in outreach, how do you explain that many people including Jews, experience suffering, which leads them  to want to adopt another religion or at least be anti-G-d.
How can you show that your conclusion from your suffering is more truthful than their conclusion?

--- End quote ---

Yes edu, after I posted this I realized that many Jews go through suffering and end up moving farther away from Yiddishkite. I really don't know what to say other than my teshuva was due to my upbringing, my interest in the super-natural, and the experiences of my teen-young adult years.

I don't know if there is a single strategy which can bring all Jews back. Each one must consider his or her own personal story in order to come to the conclusion that Hashem is the only way to find comfort in this difficult world.

edu:
Can anyone recommend a movie on the internet, where a person who was clinically dead described his life after death experiences?

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