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As Egypt\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s Crisis Grows, So Do the Anxieties in Israel
By Karl Vick / Jerusalem Sunday, Jan. 30, 2011  
A boy holds a poster of Egypt\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s President Hosni Mubarak, in Cairo January 30, 2011.

Israeli Prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu firmly ordered his government not to comment on events in Egypt, but the headlines in the Sunday morning papers got the main point across well enough:

A 30-YEAR STEP BACKWARD

WHAT FRIGHTENS US

ALL ALONE

The banners matched the stakes. Egypt under President Hosni Mubarak observed the 1979 peace treaty with the Jewish state, helped tighten the noose on Hamas from its border with the Gaza Strip, nursed peace talks with the Palestinians, worked to thwart Iran and, along the way, provided Israel with 40% of its natural gas.
 
Most important to a tiny, heavily militarized country preoccupied with risk reduction, analysts say, Mubarak\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s posture toward Israel served to restrain other Arab states — not to mention the 80 million Egyptians whose attitudes about Israel are among the most negative in the world, according to polls.

Whatever new government might emerge from the historic demonstrations across Egypt — populist, Islamist or national unity — \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"there can be no doubt that the new regime will seek to deal the peace with Israel a very public blow,\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" Eli Shaked, a former Israeli ambassador to Egypt, writes in the daily Yedioth Ahronoth. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"The only people in Egypt who are committed to peace are the people in Mubarak\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s inner circle.\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"

So it was that Israelis welcomed Mubarak\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s appointment of intelligence chief Omar Sulieman as his first-ever vice president. The mustachioed spymaster and former general was a regular visitor to Israel, where he consulted with Israeli defense and intelligence officials on the many issues the two countries held in common in what may have been a \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"cold peace,\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" but one that\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s lasted three decades.

\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"Egypt and Israel had common strategic interests. To say they were allies is too much: They were not at war,\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" says Shlomo Avineri, a political scientist at Hebrew University. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"It is the premiere Arab country, and no other country would go to war without Egypt. So there was a substructure of common strategic interest.\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"

Avineri, who held a senior position in the foreign ministry of Yitzhak Rabin, describes two possibilities: Military rule, with or without Mubarak as \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"figurehead,\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" or \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"chaos and disintegration\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" that ends with rule by Islamists and nationalists descended from Gamel Abdel Nasser, Egypt\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s second president. Israelis most dread the ascent of the Muslim Brotherhood, the most organized political opposition in Egypt, which like other Arab societies has grown more religious and conservative in recent decades.

\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"What will not come to pass is that Israel will have a democratic neighbor, because democracies don\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t appear overnight,\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" Avineri tells TIME. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"Look at Russia. You need a civil society. You need political tradition, pluralism, tolerance, existence of effective parties.\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"

Israeli press reports described a weekend of frantic meetings in the upper echelons of government. The Israeli Defense Forces, which has concentrated most of its attention on the borders of Lebanon and Gaza, was described as preparing new deployments to the south, where it four times fought wars with Egypt. U.S. diplomatic cables published by Wikileaks last year included diplomats\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\' complaints that the Egyptian military continued to regard Israel as its principle enemy, and prepared for war in the Sinai Desert that stands between them.

\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"I have no doubt that the whole defense establishment will now ask for bigger budgets and say, \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'Well, we have to adjust ourselves to a situation where Egypt is not the cooperative partner we had until a week ago,\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" says Oded Aren, director of the Institute for National Security Studies, a Tel Aviv think tank brimming with retired generals. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"Egypt is sort of the beacon or marker for security tension, for dangers with the Arab world.\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"

No one pretends to know the implications. After Egypt signed a peace treaty, Jordan followed, then the Palestine Liberation Organization. In time the Arab League went from calling for war with Israel to formulating a 2002 plan to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict with two states.
 
But from the Israeli perspective, some of the dangers were immediate. Al Jazeera aired an interview with an Army of Islam militant who in the chaos of the last few days had escaped a Cairo jail and made his way back to Gaza, where he pledged to resume attacks on Israel. He said thousands escaped with him.

\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"Yes, we are very, very worried about the situation,\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" says an Israeli general. The officer spoke privately in observance of the government\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s order of radio silence, a harm-reduction measure Netanyahu reaffirmed in brief remarks to reporters before Sunday\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s regular cabinet meeting. He had spoken with both President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton overnight. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"At this time we must show responsibility and restraint and maximum consideration,\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" the prime minister said. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"The peace between Israel and Egypt has lasted for more than three decades and our objective is to ensure that these relations will continue to exist.\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"

With reporting by Aaron J. Klein/Jerusalem

JTFer\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s comments welcome
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I don't see how it is really bad for Israel if she gets a neighbor who no longer does taqqiyah.

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I don't see how it is really bad for Israel if she gets a neighbor who no longer does taqqiyah.

as much as i think that it is a good thing that egypt's govt is on it's way to hell. i do see why people would think it's bad, because while mubarak is obviously a taqiyya-master, at least he kept israel's southwestern border somewhat more secure and with much less chance of actual hostilities.

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at least he kept israel's southwestern border somewhat more secure and with much less chance of actual hostilities.
I disagree. I think he usually gave a free hand to Hamas to smuggle in weapons and certainly is not doing that much to prevent thousands of Africans from infiltrating Israel's borders.
Because many Israelis were fooled about the peace process with Israel, they also ignored what was really going on. With an overt enemy in Egypt, Israel will be able to prepare and deal with the threats to the country, more efficiently than when our hands were tied by peace treaties.

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As Egypt\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s Crisis Grows, So Do the Anxieties in Israel
By Karl Vick / Jerusalem Sunday, Jan. 30, 2011  
A boy holds a poster of Egypt\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s President Hosni Mubarak, in Cairo January 30, 2011.

Israeli Prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu firmly ordered his government not to comment on events in Egypt, but the headlines in the Sunday morning papers got the main point across well enough:

A 30-YEAR STEP BACKWARD

WHAT FRIGHTENS US

ALL ALONE

The banners matched the stakes. Egypt under President Hosni Mubarak observed the 1979 peace treaty with the Jewish state, helped tighten the noose on Hamas from its border with the Gaza Strip, nursed peace talks with the Palestinians, worked to thwart Iran and, along the way, provided Israel with 40% of its natural gas.
 
Most important to a tiny, heavily militarized country preoccupied with risk reduction, analysts say, Mubarak\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s posture toward Israel served to restrain other Arab states — not to mention the 80 million Egyptians whose attitudes about Israel are among the most negative in the world, according to polls.

Whatever new government might emerge from the historic demonstrations across Egypt — populist, Islamist or national unity — \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"there can be no doubt that the new regime will seek to deal the peace with Israel a very public blow,\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" Eli Shaked, a former Israeli ambassador to Egypt, writes in the daily Yedioth Ahronoth. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"The only people in Egypt who are committed to peace are the people in Mubarak\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s inner circle.\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"

So it was that Israelis welcomed Mubarak\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s appointment of intelligence chief Omar Sulieman as his first-ever vice president. The mustachioed spymaster and former general was a regular visitor to Israel, where he consulted with Israeli defense and intelligence officials on the many issues the two countries held in common in what may have been a \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"cold peace,\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" but one that\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s lasted three decades.

\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"Egypt and Israel had common strategic interests. To say they were allies is too much: They were not at war,\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" says Shlomo Avineri, a political scientist at Hebrew University. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"It is the premiere Arab country, and no other country would go to war without Egypt. So there was a substructure of common strategic interest.\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"

Avineri, who held a senior position in the foreign ministry of Yitzhak Rabin, describes two possibilities: Military rule, with or without Mubarak as \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"figurehead,\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" or \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"chaos and disintegration\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" that ends with rule by Islamists and nationalists descended from Gamel Abdel Nasser, Egypt\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s second president. Israelis most dread the ascent of the Muslim Brotherhood, the most organized political opposition in Egypt, which like other Arab societies has grown more religious and conservative in recent decades.

\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"What will not come to pass is that Israel will have a democratic neighbor, because democracies don\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t appear overnight,\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" Avineri tells TIME. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"Look at Russia. You need a civil society. You need political tradition, pluralism, tolerance, existence of effective parties.\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"

Israeli press reports described a weekend of frantic meetings in the upper echelons of government. The Israeli Defense Forces, which has concentrated most of its attention on the borders of Lebanon and Gaza, was described as preparing new deployments to the south, where it four times fought wars with Egypt. U.S. diplomatic cables published by Wikileaks last year included diplomats\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\' complaints that the Egyptian military continued to regard Israel as its principle enemy, and prepared for war in the Sinai Desert that stands between them.

\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"I have no doubt that the whole defense establishment will now ask for bigger budgets and say, \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'Well, we have to adjust ourselves to a situation where Egypt is not the cooperative partner we had until a week ago,\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" says Oded Aren, director of the Institute for National Security Studies, a Tel Aviv think tank brimming with retired generals. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"Egypt is sort of the beacon or marker for security tension, for dangers with the Arab world.\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"

No one pretends to know the implications. After Egypt signed a peace treaty, Jordan followed, then the Palestine Liberation Organization. In time the Arab League went from calling for war with Israel to formulating a 2002 plan to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict with two states.
 
But from the Israeli perspective, some of the dangers were immediate. Al Jazeera aired an interview with an Army of Islam militant who in the chaos of the last few days had escaped a Cairo jail and made his way back to Gaza, where he pledged to resume attacks on Israel. He said thousands escaped with him.

\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"Yes, we are very, very worried about the situation,\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" says an Israeli general. The officer spoke privately in observance of the government\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s order of radio silence, a harm-reduction measure Netanyahu reaffirmed in brief remarks to reporters before Sunday\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s regular cabinet meeting. He had spoken with both President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton overnight. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"At this time we must show responsibility and restraint and maximum consideration,\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" the prime minister said. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"The peace between Israel and Egypt has lasted for more than three decades and our objective is to ensure that these relations will continue to exist.\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"

With reporting by Aaron J. Klein/Jerusalem

JTFer\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s comments welcome

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