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What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« on: January 30, 2011, 03:52:40 PM »
Obviously We all agree the guy was woeful, the lowest of the low.


But what religion do you think he believed in. I have always thought him as a atheist that admired islam, and only used christianity to help gain power in Germany. But as a christian, im not a unbiased commentator on this topic.

So i ask the great jews of this forum, hoenstly, from all the evidence we have on hitler, what faith do you think he believed in?

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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2011, 03:54:30 PM »
I thought he was a Christian.

Here is what Wikipedia says on the topic {and I realize wikipedia is not the final source of knowledge, but it often is a good starting place}...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views

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Public statements

In public statements, especially at the beginning of his rule, Hitler frequently spoke positively about the Christian of German culture, and his belief in the "Aryan" Christ. In a proclamation to the German Nation February 1, 1933 Hitler stated, "The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and co-operation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life."[7]

Here is another interesting quote regarding Hitler and Christianity. "The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity. Bolshevism practices a lie of the same nature, when it claims to bring liberty to men, whereas in reality it seeks only to enslave them. In the ancient world, the relations between men and gods were founded on an instinctive respect. It was a world enlightened by the idea of tolerance. Christianity was the first creed in the world to exterminate its adversaries in the name of love. Its keynote is intolerance. Without Christianity, we should not have had Islam..." - Adolf Hitler
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According to Hitler's chief architect Albert Speer, Hitler remained a formal member of the Catholic Church until his death, although it was Speer's opinion that "he had no real attachment to it."[11] According to biographer John Toland, Hitler was still "a member in good standing of the Church of Rome despite his detestation of its hierarchy, he carried within himself its teaching that the Jew was the killer of G-d. The extermination, therefore, could be done without a twinge of conscience since he was merely acting as the avenging hand of G-d — so long as it was done impersonally, without cruelty."[12] However, Hitler's own words from Mein Kampf seem to conflict with the idea that his antisemitism was religiously motivated. From childhood onward, Hitler seems to have continued to reject antisemitism or anti-Judaism based on religious arguments like the deicide claim:

On islam:

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Islamic and eastern religions


Among eastern religions, Hitler described religious leaders such as "Confucius, Buddha, and Mohammed" as providers of "spiritual sustenance".[58] In this context, Hitler's connection to Mohammad Amin al-Husayni, the Mufti of Jerusalem — which included asylum in 1941, the honorary rank of an SS Major, and a "respected racial genealogy" — has been interpreted more as a sign of respect than political expedience.[59] Hitler expressed admiration for the Muslim military tradition and directed Himmler to initiate Muslim SS Divisions as a matter of policy. According to Nazi-era Minister of Armaments and War Production Albert Speer, Hitler stated in private, "The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"[60] According to Speer, when discussing with Hitler events which might have occurred had Islam absorbed Europe:

    "Hitler said that the conquering Arabs, because of their racial inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate and conditions of the country. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire."[60]

Hitler's choice of the Swastika as the Nazis' main and official symbol, was linked to the belief in the Aryan cultural descent of the German people. They considered the early Aryans of India to be the prototypical white invaders and the sign as a symbol of the Aryan master race.[61] Thus, high caste Hindus such as Brahmins, were considered to be pure Aryan due to their genealogical connection to the ancient Aryans. However, despite the Roma's Indian origin, they were considered a threat to German racial hygiene because they were in fact, descended from Aryans, but were of poorer classes that had mingled with the various “inferior” races they encountered during their wanderings.
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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2011, 04:00:48 PM »
He was a Christian by name just because part of his family was. He loved Nordic paganism, but just as a folk nationalistic tradition and he didn't believe in it either. I don't think he believed in Islam because he hated anything that sounded Semite. I believe he had some lunatic's personal belief according to what some undefined suprnatural power had chosen him to shape the world to fit his lunacy.

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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2011, 04:02:22 PM »
He was a Christian by name just because part of his family was. He loved Nordic paganism, but just as a folk nationalistic tradition and he didn't believe in it either. I don't think he believed in Islam because he hated anything that sounded Semite. I believe he had some lunatic's personal belief according to what some undefined suprnatural power had chosen him to shape the world to fit his lunacy.

He was a member of the Catholic church until his death....
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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2011, 04:04:36 PM »
Hitler certainly used the anitsemitism of the German Christian Martin Luther to assist his plan:

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G-d, racism and anti-Semitism

To the extent he believed in a divinity, Hitler did not believe in a "remote, rationalist divinity" but in an "active deity,"[71] which he frequently referred to as "Creator" or "Providence". In Hitler's belief G-d created a world in which different races fought each other for survival as depicted by Arthur de Gobineau. The "Aryan race," supposedly the bearer of civilization, is allocated a special place:

   What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and the reproduction of our race ... so that our people may mature for the fulfilment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe. ... Peoples that bastardize themselves, or let themselves be bastardized, sin against the will of eternal Providence.[71]

The Jews he viewed as enemies of all civilization and as materialistic, unspiritual beings, writing in Mein Kampf: "His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine." Hitler described his supposedly divine mandate for his anti-Semitism: "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."[72]

In his rhetoric Hitler also fed on the old accusation of Jewish Deicide. Because of this it has been speculated that Christian anti-Semitism influenced Hitler's ideas, especially such works as Martin Luther's essay On the Jews and Their Lies and the writings of Paul de Lagarde. Others disagree with this view.[73] In support of this view, Hitler biographer John Toland opines that Hitler "carried within him its teaching that the Jew was the killer of G-d. The extermination, therefore, could be done without a twinge of conscience since he was merely acting as the avenging hand of G-d..." Nevertheless, in Mein Kampf Hitler writes of an upbringing in which no particular anti-Semitic prejudice prevailed.

According to Jewish, American historian Lucy Dawidowicz, Anti-Semitism has a long history within Christianity, and that the line of "anti-Semitic descent" from Luther to Hitler is "easy to draw." In her The War Against the Jews, 1933-1945, she writes that Luther and Hitler were obsessed by the "demonologized universe" inhabited by Jews. Dawidowicz states that the similarities between Luther's anti-Jewish writings and modern Anti-Semitism are no coincidence, because they derived from a common history of Judenhass, which can be traced to Haman's advice to Ahasuerus, although modern German anti-Semitism also has its roots in German nationalism.[74]
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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2011, 04:05:12 PM »
He was a member of the Catholic church until his death....

Actually he was not a member of the church.
He was baptised as Catholic but he did not follow any of the churches teachings
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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2011, 04:06:18 PM »
Actually he was not a member of the church.
He was baptised as Catholic but he did not follow any of the churches teachings

As you know you can call yourself a Catholic and not follow any church teachings when we look at Catholicism today. But today the Pope is OKing prostitution and condoms...

PS: Did the church ever excommunicate him? I don't think so...

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Hitler and Catholic ritual

In his childhood, Hitler had admired the pomp of Catholic ritual and the hierarchical organisation of the clergy. Later, he drew on these elements, organizing his party along hierarchical lines and including liturgical forms into events or using phraseology taken from hymns.[75] Because of these liturgical elements, Hitler's Messiah-like status and the ideology's all-encompassing nature, the Nazi movement is sometimes termed a "political religion".[76]
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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2011, 04:07:57 PM »
As you know you can call yourself a Catholic and not follow any church teachings when we look at Catholicism today. But today the Pope is OKing prostitution and condoms...

PS: Did the church ever excommunicate him? I don't think so...



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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2011, 04:09:18 PM »
People can claim to follow any religion what is your point?

My point is that he was born a Catholic, was impressed with Catholicism, and while not subscribing to the absolute rituals of the religion, identified with it... That is my point...

My other point is that if he is still considered a Catholic by the church why did they not excommunicate him?

Here is the answer to the question "Why was hitler not excommunicated by the church?"

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080327141858AAgXrzB
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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2011, 04:12:09 PM »
He was a member of the Catholic church until his death....


Just because he was fascinated by Catholic anti-Semitism of the time and he though he might be able to use the church for his own plan. But he did not believe in Christianity. He despised it because he found it to be too humanitarian. He wanted to revive Nordic paganism just because it was Aryan and Nordic ancient poetry speak of warriors, but probably he did not believe in pagan deities, and he may have also disliked pagan emphasis on love and Nature. Anyway, as a lunatic full of hate, he could easily switch from one stance to another.

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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2011, 04:13:39 PM »
Just because he was fascinated by Catholic anti-Semitism of the time and he though he might be able to use the church for his own plan. But he did not believe in Christianity. He despised it because he found it to be too humanitarian. He wanted to revive Nordic paganism just because it was Aryan and Nordic ancient poetry speak of warriors, but probably he did not believe in pagan deities, and he may have also disliked pagan emphasis on love and Nature. Anyway, as a lunatic full of hate, he could easily switch from one stance to another.

I agree that his actions do not represent any sane belief system. I was just answering the question asked according to what I have learned. I also am researching the answers to these questions...

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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2011, 04:15:02 PM »
He was a member of the Catholic church until his death....

As you know you can call yourself a Catholic and not follow any church teachings when we look at Catholicism today. But today the Pope is OKing prostitution and condoms...

PS: Did the church ever excommunicate him? I don't think so...

My point is that he was born a Catholic, was impressed with Catholicism, and while not subscribing to the absolute rituals of the religion, identified with it... That is my point...

My other point is that if he is still considered a Catholic by the church why did they not excommunicate him?

Here is the answer to the question "Why was hitler not excommunicated by the church?"

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080327141858AAgXrzB
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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2011, 04:16:52 PM »
Does miserableness ever take a holiday?  That's all I want to know.  I'm just saying.

I am sorry BC3.... I do not want to say any more on this topic. The point is not to assign blame on any religion for Hitler... I am sure that there are reasons the church acted as it did... I will cease trying to answer this here...

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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2011, 04:41:25 PM »
i am sure that he was neither Christian nor Pagan. Shitler, as a true socialist, was, most probably, an atheist.
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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2011, 04:43:23 PM »
It is true Hitler was born a Catholic however he made it more then clear during his life he had little or no use for the RCC or any other organized religion... From most of what I have read the church feared Hitler.... Clergy inside Nazi occupied countries were constantly told to behave or face being taken off to the death camps... The Vatican really could not afford to become embroiled in a conflict with Nazi Germany since it would have taken Hitler nothing but a bit of bad press after the fact of taking the place over... Hitler wrote that it was all well and fine for the church to continue its operation during the war since he had bigger fish to fry however if Germany was victorious it was going to be a far different picture... If the church moved to excommunicate Hitler during that time it would have given him the excuse he needed to move against the RCC... Even the little the RCC did to help during the war would have went undone.
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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
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I'm sure. But I don't think he was ever a Christian. 
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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2011, 04:52:51 PM »
He actually liked Islam and the Japanese religions                                                 

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1389073










I found this on IsraelForum.com.


I'm intrigued by what Hitlers views on the three traditions were,as were similarly those of Nietzsche and Goethe (especially on Islam), they all seem to have a certain respect and admiration for moslem theology and philosophy. I have a question below.


THE BOOK OF ARYAN WISDOM AND LAWS.

Christian belief, to be true, to be German, must be purged of all remnants of Jewish thought.

The Mosaic religion is really nothing but a doctrine for the preservation of the Jewish race.

The satanic Jew has been the divider of mankind; and has deliberately brought about religious division and chaos.

The following material has been translated from a pamphlet found in the NSDAP Hauptarchiv. Its German title was Der Bolschewismus von Moses bis Lenin: Zwiegespräch zwischen Adolf Hitler und mir, and it was originally published in Munich in March 1924 from unfinished notes on which Dietrich Eckart had been working in the autumn of 1923.

Reach for The Tanach, a brief flipping of pages, and -- "There," he cried, "the recipe from which the Jews always brew their hellish broth!

Hitler's Table Talk is a series of informal, private conversations among Hitler and his closest associates, as recorded by Martin Bormann. The ex tempore remarks excerpted above are from July 1941 to June 1942, most late at night or in early morning.

The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity. Bolshevism practices a lie of the same nature, when it claims to bring liberty to men, whereas in reality it seeks only to enslave them. In the ancient world, the relations between men and gods were founded on an instinctive respect. It was a world enlightened by the idea of tolerance. Christianity was the first creed in the world to exterminate its adversaries in the name of love. Its keynote is intolerance.

Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of human failure.

It is a great pity that this tendency towards religious thought can find no better outlet than the Jewish pettifoggery of The Tanach, for a religious Folk who, in the solitude of winter, continually seek ultimate light on their religious problems with the assistance of the Bible, must eventually become spiritually deformed. The wretched Folk strive to extract truths from these Jewish chicaneries, where in fact no truths exist. As a result they become embedded in some rut of thought or other and, unless they possess an exceptionally commonsense mind, degenerate into religious maniacs.

It is deplorable that the Bible should have been translated into German, and that the whole of the German Folk should have thus become exposed to the whole of this Jewish mumbo jumbo. So long as the wisdom, particularly of The Tanach, remained exclusively in the Latin of the Church, there was little danger that sensible people would become the victims of illusions as the result of studying the Bible. But since the Bible became common property, a whole heap of people have found opened to them lines of religious thought which — particularly in conjunction with the German characteristic of persistent and somewhat melancholy meditation — as often as not turned them into religious maniacs. When one recollects further that the Catholic Church has elevated to the status of Saints a whole number of madmen, one realizes why movements such as that of the Flagellants came inevitably into existence in the Middle Ages in Germany.


I can imagine people being enthusiastic about the paradise of Mohammed, but as for the insipid paradise of the Christians! In your lifetime, you used to hear the music of Richard Wagner. After your death, it will be nothing but hallelujahs, the waving of palms, children of an age for the feeding bottle, and hoary old men. The man of the isles pays homage to the forces of nature. But Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery. A ****** with his taboos is crushingly superior to the human being who seriously believes in transubstantiation.

The instructions of a hygienic nature that most religions gave, contributed to the foundation of organized communities. The precepts ordering people to wash, to avoid certain drinks, to fast at appointed dates, to take exercise, to rise with the sun, to climb to the top of the minaret — all these were obligations invented by intelligent people. The exhortation to fight courageously is also self-explanatory. Observe, by the way, that, as a corollary, the Moslem was promised a paradise peopled with sensual girls, where wine flowed in streams — a real earthly paradise. The Christians, on the other hand, declare themselves satisfied if after their death they are allowed to sing hallelujahs! All these elements contributed to form human communities. It is to these private customs that Folks owe their present characters.

ISLAM, A RELIGION COMPATIBLE FOR THE GERMANIC PEOPLES

His conversations on a number of subjects were recorded by his closest confidants. One of these was Albert Speer, chief architect and Reich Minister of Armanents and Munitions, who quoted Hitler's regret the Germans accepted Christianity rather than religions which would have been more compatible to them:

"Hitler usually concluded this historical speculation by remarking: 'You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?'" (11)

Yet another aspect which Hitler praised was the fact that Muslims preserved ancient texts and passed on knowledge which otherwise would have been lost. He noted the remarkable achievements of Islamic civilization in all fields. During a meeting at the Wehrwolf on the afternoon of 27th August 1942, the Führer said(13):

"It is only with the Roman empire where one can say that culture was a factor under the government. The government of the Arabs in Spain too was infinitely distinguished: Many scientists, thinkers, astronomers, mathematicians, one of the most humane times, at the same time as a colossal knighthood. When, later, Christianity came there, then one can say: barbarians. The knighthood that the Castilians have is actually one of Arab heritage. If Charles Martel had not overcome in Poitiers: since the Jewish world already seized us - that Christianity is something well of insipid - we would have better received Mohammedanism, those doctrines of the reward of heroism-: combatants alone have the seventh heaven! With that the Germans would have conquered the world. It is only by Christianity that we have been held distant." (14)
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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2011, 04:56:30 PM »
He actually liked Islam and the Japanese religions                                                http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1389073       










I found this on IsraelForum.com.


I'm intrigued by what Hitlers views on the three traditions were,as were similarly those of Nietzsche and Goethe (especially on Islam), they all seem to have a certain respect and admiration for moslem theology and philosophy. I have a question below.


THE BOOK OF ARYAN WISDOM AND LAWS.

Christian belief, to be true, to be German, must be purged of all remnants of Jewish thought.

The Mosaic religion is really nothing but a doctrine for the preservation of the Jewish race.

The satanic Jew has been the divider of mankind; and has deliberately brought about religious division and chaos.

The following material has been translated from a pamphlet found in the NSDAP Hauptarchiv. Its German title was Der Bolschewismus von Moses bis Lenin: Zwiegespräch zwischen Adolf Hitler und mir, and it was originally published in Munich in March 1924 from unfinished notes on which Dietrich Eckart had been working in the autumn of 1923.

Reach for The Tanach, a brief flipping of pages, and -- "There," he cried, "the recipe from which the Jews always brew their hellish broth!

Hitler's Table Talk is a series of informal, private conversations among Hitler and his closest associates, as recorded by Martin Bormann. The ex tempore remarks excerpted above are from July 1941 to June 1942, most late at night or in early morning.

The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity. Bolshevism practices a lie of the same nature, when it claims to bring liberty to men, whereas in reality it seeks only to enslave them. In the ancient world, the relations between men and gods were founded on an instinctive respect. It was a world enlightened by the idea of tolerance. Christianity was the first creed in the world to exterminate its adversaries in the name of love. Its keynote is intolerance.

Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of human failure.

It is a great pity that this tendency towards religious thought can find no better outlet than the Jewish pettifoggery of The Tanach, for a religious Folk who, in the solitude of winter, continually seek ultimate light on their religious problems with the assistance of the Bible, must eventually become spiritually deformed. The wretched Folk strive to extract truths from these Jewish chicaneries, where in fact no truths exist. As a result they become embedded in some rut of thought or other and, unless they possess an exceptionally commonsense mind, degenerate into religious maniacs.

It is deplorable that the Bible should have been translated into German, and that the whole of the German Folk should have thus become exposed to the whole of this Jewish mumbo jumbo. So long as the wisdom, particularly of The Tanach, remained exclusively in the Latin of the Church, there was little danger that sensible people would become the victims of illusions as the result of studying the Bible. But since the Bible became common property, a whole heap of people have found opened to them lines of religious thought which — particularly in conjunction with the German characteristic of persistent and somewhat melancholy meditation — as often as not turned them into religious maniacs. When one recollects further that the Catholic Church has elevated to the status of Saints a whole number of madmen, one realizes why movements such as that of the Flagellants came inevitably into existence in the Middle Ages in Germany.


I can imagine people being enthusiastic about the paradise of Mohammed, but as for the insipid paradise of the Christians! In your lifetime, you used to hear the music of Richard Wagner. After your death, it will be nothing but hallelujahs, the waving of palms, children of an age for the feeding bottle, and hoary old men. The man of the isles pays homage to the forces of nature. But Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery. A ****** with his taboos is crushingly superior to the human being who seriously believes in transubstantiation.

The instructions of a hygienic nature that most religions gave, contributed to the foundation of organized communities. The precepts ordering people to wash, to avoid certain drinks, to fast at appointed dates, to take exercise, to rise with the sun, to climb to the top of the minaret — all these were obligations invented by intelligent people. The exhortation to fight courageously is also self-explanatory. Observe, by the way, that, as a corollary, the Moslem was promised a paradise peopled with sensual girls, where wine flowed in streams — a real earthly paradise. The Christians, on the other hand, declare themselves satisfied if after their death they are allowed to sing hallelujahs! All these elements contributed to form human communities. It is to these private customs that Folks owe their present characters.

ISLAM, A RELIGION COMPATIBLE FOR THE GERMANIC PEOPLES

His conversations on a number of subjects were recorded by his closest confidants. One of these was Albert Speer, chief architect and Reich Minister of Armanents and Munitions, who quoted Hitler's regret the Germans accepted Christianity rather than religions which would have been more compatible to them:

"Hitler usually concluded this historical speculation by remarking: 'You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?'" (11)

Yet another aspect which Hitler praised was the fact that Muslims preserved ancient texts and passed on knowledge which otherwise would have been lost. He noted the remarkable achievements of Islamic civilization in all fields. During a meeting at the Wehrwolf on the afternoon of 27th August 1942, the Führer said(13):

"It is only with the Roman empire where one can say that culture was a factor under the government. The government of the Arabs in Spain too was infinitely distinguished: Many scientists, thinkers, astronomers, mathematicians, one of the most humane times, at the same time as a colossal knighthood. When, later, Christianity came there, then one can say: barbarians. The knighthood that the Castilians have is actually one of Arab heritage. If Charles Martel had not overcome in Poitiers: since the Jewish world already seized us - that Christianity is something well of insipid - we would have better received Mohammedanism, those doctrines of the reward of heroism-: combatants alone have the seventh heaven! With that the Germans would have conquered the world. It is only by Christianity that we have been held distant." (14)


I know he was interested in Islam didn't knew he was interested in Japanese religions. 
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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2011, 05:16:04 PM »
He was a little bit Christian. That's like being a little bit dead.
He also admired islam some.
Don't blame the Christians for what he did. He also wished he had made his people muslims instead of Christians. He had buyer's remorse.

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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2011, 05:53:14 PM »
Hitler believed in G-d?  I don't see how that is possible. 
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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2011, 06:03:30 PM »
Hitler believed in G-d?  I don't see how that is possible. 

Hitler believed he was G-d and expected everyone under his control to go along with it...
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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2011, 06:13:00 PM »
My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... [/b] When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.

-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922

We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls.... We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity... in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Passau, 27 October 1928,



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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2011, 06:39:06 PM »
Hitler believed first and foremost in himself. And he clearly believed in destiny. I don't think he believed in any religion but he was of course willing to use and twist religion to his cause.

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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2011, 06:44:33 PM »
My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, G-d's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... [/b] When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.

-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922

We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls.... We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity... in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Passau, 27 October 1928,




I guess if I had my eye on the seat of leadership in Germany as Hitler did during them years I would also make speeches containing my support for Christian Values.... Germany for all its faults was and still is a predominantly Christian country.. Anyone seeking office back in the 1920's had better have made their position of Christian support known even if they were lying through their teeth... Now tell me that anyone here could find it hard for Hitler to tell people what they wanted to hear in order to pave his way to power... Show me some speeches that have the same zest for Christianity after he came into power.
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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2011, 07:02:51 PM »
Dictators use religion to suit their own purposes. The modern neo-nazi types often say that Christianity is a "Jew religion" and follow things like Asatru. That tells me something about the Nazi mindset.