Is the Quran even what mohhammed taught?

[ftf]

Look at how the quran was compiled, note this is about 20 years after the death of Muhammad.

Sahih Bakari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 509:
Narrated Zaid bin Thabit:

Abu Bakr As-Siddiq sent for me when the people! of Yamama had been killed (i.e., a number of the Prophet's Companions who fought against Musailama). (I went to him) and found 'Umar bin Al-Khattab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said (to me), "Umar has come to me and said: "Casualties were heavy among the Qurra' of the! Qur'an (i.e. those who knew the Quran by heart) on the day of the Battle of Yalmama, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra' on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur'an may be lost. Therefore I suggest, you (Abu Bakr) order that the Qur'an be collected." I said to 'Umar, "How can you do something which Allah's Apostle did not do?" 'Umar said, "By Allah, that is a good project. "Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allah opened my chest for it and I began to realize the good in the idea which 'Umar had realized." Then Abu Bakr said (to me). 'You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah's Apostle. So you should search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Qur'an and collect it in one book)." By Allah If they had ordered me to shift one of the mountains, it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to collect the Qur'an. Then I said to Abu Bakr, "How will you do something which Allah's Apostle did not do?" Abu Bakr replied, "By Allah, it is a good project." Abu Bakr kept on urging me to accept his idea until Allah opened my chest for what He had opened the chests of Abu Bakr and 'Umar. So I started looking for the Qur'an and collecting it from (what was written on) palmed stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, till I found the last Verse of Surat At-Tauba (Repentance) with Abi Khuzaima Al-Ansari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. The Verse is:

'Verily there has come unto you an Apostle (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty..(till the end of Surat-Baraa' (At-Tauba) (9.128-129) Then the complete manuscripts (copy) of the Qur'an remained with Abu Bakr till he died, then with 'Umar till the end of his life, and then with Hafsa, the daughter of 'Umar.


Volume 6, Book 61, Number 510:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:

Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to 'Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Quran) as Jews and the Christians did before." So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. 'Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. 'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. Said bin Thabit added, "A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was): 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23)

[Duncan]

Who really cares... muhommad was a pedophile, an animal fker, and a false prohet - who cares what he had to say. He is dead and his soul burns in hell.

Party on, dude!!! muhommad is dead - DEAD!!!

Piss Be Upon Him!!!

Not human piss, but Swine PISS!!!

[ftf]

It's just funny, muslims always talk about the bible being corrupted, yet they are the ones who had to organise burning of their own holy book.

[The hawk strikes again]

It has been written in our holy books: "After Zacharia, Haggai and Malachi (the last prophets of the Bible), Prophecy has stopped worldwide and was given to the fools and lunatics".
Maimonides, the great rabbi, thinker and philosopher used to call Muhammad: "The Nutcrack".

[ftf]

It has been written in our holy books: "After Zacharia, Haggai and Malachi (the last prophets of the Bible), Prophecy has stopped worldwide and was given to the fools and lunatics".
Maimonides, the great rabbi, thinker and philosopher used to call Muhammad: "The Nutcrack".

Can I ask where exactly that is written in the tanakh, or is it only in the talmud?

[The hawk strikes again]

It is quoted from the Talmud, but it is very understandable from the last prophecy of the last prophet: Malachy, it is written as a hint! that this is g-d's last word until the end of days when the prophet Aliyah will appear again.

[ftf]

It is quoted from the Talmud, but it is very understandable from the last prophecy of the last prophet: Malachy, it is written as a hint! that this is g-d's last word until the end of days when the prophet Aliyah will appear again.

Having just skimmed through the book of Malachi, I'd have to say that it goes beyond a hint, it makes it as clear as a cloudless sky.

[The hawk strikes again]

It is quoted from the Talmud, but it is very understandable from the last prophecy of the last prophet: Malachy, it is written as a hint! that this is g-d's last word until the end of days when the prophet Aliyah will appear again.

Having just skimmed through the book of Malachi, I'd have to say that it goes beyond a hint, it makes it as clear as a cloudless sky.

Then I belive I rest my case.

[Sarah]

It's just funny, muslims always talk about the ible being corrupted, yet they are the ones who had to organise burning of their own holy book.

They were burning the false manuscripts that had been written in different dialects and so the meaning may have changed. It was to keep the quran unchanged. They burnt the coies that were written wrong and copied the original manuscripts compiled by zaid bin thabit, that were then serialised around the tribes and passed on. Anything that differed was to be burnt to avoid misunderstanding and the wrong words being learnt.

It makes sense to me.

[ftf]

Why would incorrect manuscripts have been produced that then needed to be burned? How did they know that the ones they burned weren't the correct ones?

[Sarah]

The language arabic is diveded into many dialects differing with tribes, nations and accents. Some tribes used to use different words for the same meaning but then when these words were passed on to other tribes or even back to the Qurans initial arabic form, the meaning would be slightly changed and in some parts of the Quran even offer a completely different meaning, not sent down by God.
Not many people knew how to write in those times and so selected people from different tribes across the world would come to makkah and Medina, where Muhammed was and learn the Quran off by heart but reading it in there own accent or way they could remember. Then when the time came for them to write it down they wrote it how they read it and there was difference in pronounciation and grammer from the original. This was the continuosly passed on throughtout the minimal amounts of written Quran people had, proving as a future threat for the meaning being changed.

They knew the ones they burned were incorrect because they compared it to the first compiled one which was checked a many times over and kept secure. Once compared they distinguished the changings and burnt them.

[ftf]

Even if it is accurate as what Mohammed taught, I think that you will agree that it is not from G-d.

[ftf]

I actually................do believe so. I believe the bible and Torah were from G-d as well.

 :-[I feel immensely strange right now.

You think that the quran came from God?

I thought that you had turned from that long ago.

[Sarah]

Well some parts have because they all seem correct and if they were copied from the Torah then predominantly they were from God.

[ftf]

Well some parts have because they all seem correct and if they were copied from the Torah then predominantly they were from G-d.

Some bits were copied from the torah, but a lot of it was copied from fairy tales, the following video details whhere a lot fo the quran came from: