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Is a righteous gentile saved?
OdKahaneChai:
--- Quote from: Kananga on June 25, 2007, 03:14:35 PM ---Wasn't Moses's wife Zipporah and father-in-law Yitro, both gentiles, also present at Sinai? ???
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I'm pretty sure they both converted (however that was done back then), but then Yitro eventually went back to his people. But I could be wrong.
Sarah:
--- Quote from: jeffguy on June 25, 2007, 02:52:50 PM ---
--- Quote from: ScotcH on June 25, 2007, 02:36:35 PM ---So therefore I suppose the Ten Commandments are bunch of malarky !!
Someone better tell Neo-Nazi Benedict !
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I'm giving you a warning, ScotcH. Please don't try my patience today.
The Ten Commandments were given to the Jewish people (not the gentiles) on Mt. Sinai and are the basis of the 613 commandments we follow in the Torah.
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I don't mean to arise any offensiveness at all but could it be said that the Ten Commandments were given to the Jewish people but as a guidance for the whole of humanity because surely they should convince people of the truth?
Lubab:
--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on June 25, 2007, 04:40:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: Kananga on June 25, 2007, 03:14:35 PM ---Wasn't Moses's wife Zipporah and father-in-law Yitro, both gentiles, also present at Sinai? ???
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I'm pretty sure they both converted (however that was done back then), but then Yitro eventually went back to his people. But I could be wrong.
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Yes. They converted. And Yisro went back to convert his own people to Judaism too.
It was pretty easy to convert to Judaism before the giving of the Torah. Not so now.
Lubab:
--- Quote from: Sarah on June 25, 2007, 05:32:10 PM ---
--- Quote from: jeffguy on June 25, 2007, 02:52:50 PM ---
--- Quote from: ScotcH on June 25, 2007, 02:36:35 PM ---So therefore I suppose the Ten Commandments are bunch of malarky !!
Someone better tell Neo-Nazi Benedict !
--- End quote ---
I'm giving you a warning, ScotcH. Please don't try my patience today.
The Ten Commandments were given to the Jewish people (not the gentiles) on Mt. Sinai and are the basis of the 613 commandments we follow in the Torah.
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I don't mean to arise any offensiveness at all but could it be said that the Ten Commandments were given to the Jewish people but as a guidance for the whole of humanity because surely they should convince people of the truth?
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The truth is that the 10 commandments were given for the Jews and the 7 Noahide laws were given for the rest of humanity.
If the gentiles start doing the job of the Jews or the Jews start doing the jobs of the gentiles, then there would be a lack of truth.
With that said, gentiles who are observant in their 7 can start to take on some of the 613 commandments (with a few exceptions), but this is for the purpose of receiving reward, but is not obligatory.
Sarah:
Yes, i just realised that because they are commandments and in affect, rules they are directed towards the Jews.
Is the Talmud different from the Torah sent down on the tablets, was it the same thing just orally or more teachings?
Lubab you are the most fantastic religious moderator ever! I have learnt and understood so much from your answers, thank you so much and i hope your knowledge grants you many blessings!
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