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Is a righteous gentile saved?
newman:
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--- Quote from: lubab on September 09, 2007, 02:32:25 AM ---Yes. As far as I understand it, gentiles should work every day.
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You mean NO vacation?
No day off for a family to go on a picnic?
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I looked into this further. Jews are like the brain, and gentiles more like the heart which always need to be pumping in order of the body to work.
The brain needs to rest and go back to it's spiritual source and this is like how Jews need Shabbos as a time to sort of detach from the world and only think about G-dly matters. Gentiles should not be doing this any day.
With that said, if a gentile want to take a vacation in order so that he will be able to be rested in order to work better then that is fine!
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That being said, Lubab.....
"work" in that sense could mean having the weekend off but still gardening, cooking etc?
A gentile can still retire from his job at sixty but still "work" in some other sense like fishing, I suppose.
The prohibition against gentiles observing Shabbos (meaning 'to cease') really referrs to gentiles stopping ALL forms of work in the same manner as Jews, is that not correct?
Lubab:
Regarding retirement, the Lubavitcher Rebbe was vehemently against the concept. For very good reason.
Maybe I can find his writings on the topic for you.
If gardening and fishing are things that help the world work better and be more productive then I suppose that's work.
One should always, in general, try to do work that you love doing. This way you are always on vacation. ;)
newman:
--- Quote from: lubab on September 12, 2007, 10:05:37 AM ---Regarding retirement, the Lubavitcher Rebbe was vehemently against the concept. For very good reason.
Maybe I can find his writings on the topic for you.
If gardening and fishing are things that help the world work better and be more productive then I suppose that's work.
One should always, in general, try to do work that you love doing. This way you are always on vacation. ;)
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The definition of work is tricky.
A man who accumulates $2 million by age 45 and has an independent income of $130,000/ year doesn't need to work. One could argue that his 'work' is 30 minutes/ week checking his porfolio.
Secondly, some of the prohibitions put on gentiles in torah are not contained in the Sheva Mitzvot. (Shabbos observence for example).
Do the Talmudic prohibitions on gentiles only apply in Eretz Yisrael?
Lubab:
--- Quote ---A man who accumulates $2 million by age 45 and has an independent income of $130,000/ year doesn't need to work. One could argue that his 'work' is 30 minutes/ week checking his porfolio.
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Is that you Newman?
Anyway, such a person should still find something productive to do with the rest of his time.
Why be content with $130,000/year when you can make millions a year building on those previous successes and with those skills and send Chaim to the Knesset in no time!
Too much time on anyone's hands is not a good thing. You should always be looking to accomplish more so you can change this world for the good. There's no time it's needed for good people to have lots of money.
The Talmudic prohibitions on gentiles apply everywhere.
newman:
--- Quote from: lubab on September 12, 2007, 05:02:34 PM ---
--- Quote ---A man who accumulates $2 million by age 45 and has an independent income of $130,000/ year doesn't need to work. One could argue that his 'work' is 30 minutes/ week checking his porfolio.
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Is that you Newman?
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I WISH! :D
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