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Is a righteous gentile saved?
Dominater96:
--- Quote from: lubab on June 25, 2007, 06:38:12 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sarah on June 25, 2007, 06:18:04 PM ---Yes, i just realised that because they are commandments and in affect, rules they are directed towards the Jews.
Is the Talmud different from the Torah sent down on the tablets, was it the same thing just orally or more teachings?
Lubab you are the most fantastic religious moderator ever! I have learnt and understood so much from your answers, thank you so much and i hope your knowledge grants you many blessings!
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Well, no the Talmud is not different.
It says in the Rabbinic commentaries that every detail of Judaism is included in those 10 commandments. (It even says that all 613 commandments are included in the first two commandments!) Those 10 are the general framework and the 613 give you the details.
All the knowledge of the Talmud was given on Sinai along with those 10 commandments to Moses. That knowledge was not a new thing that started when the Talmud was written down. That knowledge of the details of how to put the Torah into practice was handed down in an oral chain for 40 generations by the greatest Jewish leaders and scholars. Eventually those teachings were written down and that's why we have the written Talmud.
But really it's all only ONE Torah. You can't have the oral Torah without the written and you can't have the written Torah without the oral commentary. It's all the same thing, only differnet parts were handed down to us different ways. There are specifics and generalities, but it's all one Torah.
Thank you for your kind words. I'm glad to help in any way I can. And "Amein" to that blessing!
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Ramban says that all of the mitzvot are in 1 mitzvah. I think they talk about in Masechet megillah daf 19. Also somewhere else in berachot they talk about it.
Dominater96:
--- Quote from: newman on September 09, 2007, 02:36:52 AM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on September 09, 2007, 02:32:25 AM ---Yes. As far as I understand it, gentiles should work every day.
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You mean NO vacation?
No day off for a family to go on a picnic?
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Rashi in Sanhedrin 58B says that not only is a gentile not allwoed to designate a day, as a day of rest, but he is also not allowed to take a day off of work to relax. Meiri disagrees- he says they are not allowed to designate a day of rest, but can take vacation. Rambam agrees with Meiri. Lubab, do you think that christians are going against this by designating sunday as their day of rest?
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
--- Quote from: Dominater96 on November 16, 2007, 01:48:52 PM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on June 25, 2007, 06:38:12 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sarah on June 25, 2007, 06:18:04 PM ---Yes, i just realised that because they are commandments and in affect, rules they are directed towards the Jews.
Is the Talmud different from the Torah sent down on the tablets, was it the same thing just orally or more teachings?
Lubab you are the most fantastic religious moderator ever! I have learnt and understood so much from your answers, thank you so much and i hope your knowledge grants you many blessings!
--- End quote ---
Well, no the Talmud is not different.
It says in the Rabbinic commentaries that every detail of Judaism is included in those 10 commandments. (It even says that all 613 commandments are included in the first two commandments!) Those 10 are the general framework and the 613 give you the details.
All the knowledge of the Talmud was given on Sinai along with those 10 commandments to Moses. That knowledge was not a new thing that started when the Talmud was written down. That knowledge of the details of how to put the Torah into practice was handed down in an oral chain for 40 generations by the greatest Jewish leaders and scholars. Eventually those teachings were written down and that's why we have the written Talmud.
But really it's all only ONE Torah. You can't have the oral Torah without the written and you can't have the written Torah without the oral commentary. It's all the same thing, only differnet parts were handed down to us different ways. There are specifics and generalities, but it's all one Torah.
Thank you for your kind words. I'm glad to help in any way I can. And "Amein" to that blessing!
--- End quote ---
Ramban says that all of the mitzvot are in 1 mitzvah. I think they talk about in Masechet megillah daf 19. Also somewhere else in berachot they talk about it.
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Are you talking about something that goes like- " the Tzaddik lives by his faith" - a Prohet said that, I think Habakuk. - BUT thats also something that is used by christians and some who want to get ride of Mitzvot, and say you see one only needs faith. But when reading the statement correctly one will see- it says the TZADDIK lives by his faith, and who is a Tzaddik? one who follows all of the Torah.
Dominater96:
--- Quote from: lubab on September 12, 2007, 09:16:22 AM ---
--- Quote from: newman on September 09, 2007, 02:36:52 AM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on September 09, 2007, 02:32:25 AM ---Yes. As far as I understand it, gentiles should work every day.
--- End quote ---
You mean NO vacation?
No day off for a family to go on a picnic?
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With that said, if a gentile want to take a vacation in order so that he will be able to be rested in order to work better then that is fine!
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Rashi disagrees with this
Dominater96:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on November 16, 2007, 02:03:10 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dominater96 on November 16, 2007, 01:48:52 PM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on June 25, 2007, 06:38:12 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sarah on June 25, 2007, 06:18:04 PM ---Yes, i just realised that because they are commandments and in affect, rules they are directed towards the Jews.
Is the Talmud different from the Torah sent down on the tablets, was it the same thing just orally or more teachings?
Lubab you are the most fantastic religious moderator ever! I have learnt and understood so much from your answers, thank you so much and i hope your knowledge grants you many blessings!
--- End quote ---
Well, no the Talmud is not different.
It says in the Rabbinic commentaries that every detail of Judaism is included in those 10 commandments. (It even says that all 613 commandments are included in the first two commandments!) Those 10 are the general framework and the 613 give you the details.
All the knowledge of the Talmud was given on Sinai along with those 10 commandments to Moses. That knowledge was not a new thing that started when the Talmud was written down. That knowledge of the details of how to put the Torah into practice was handed down in an oral chain for 40 generations by the greatest Jewish leaders and scholars. Eventually those teachings were written down and that's why we have the written Talmud.
But really it's all only ONE Torah. You can't have the oral Torah without the written and you can't have the written Torah without the oral commentary. It's all the same thing, only differnet parts were handed down to us different ways. There are specifics and generalities, but it's all one Torah.
Thank you for your kind words. I'm glad to help in any way I can. And "Amein" to that blessing!
--- End quote ---
Ramban says that all of the mitzvot are in 1 mitzvah. I think they talk about in Masechet megillah daf 19. Also somewhere else in berachot they talk about it.
--- End quote ---
Are you talking about something that goes like- " the Tzaddik lives by his faith" - a Prohet said that, I think Habakuk. - BUT thats also something that is used by christians and some who want to get ride of Mitzvot, and say you see one only needs faith. But when reading the statement correctly one will see- it says the TZADDIK lives by his faith, and who is a Tzaddik? one who follows all of the Torah.
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Nope, ill go get a gemara, I learned this a couple weeks back with my Havruta, gotta refresh my memory.
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