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High school kid named Osama
Imerica:
--- Quote from: Zvulun ben Moshe on June 14, 2007, 01:05:00 AM ---
--- Quote from: Imerica on June 14, 2007, 12:48:11 AM ---
--- Quote from: Zvulun ben Moshe on June 13, 2007, 09:42:04 PM ---
--- Quote from: Imerica on June 13, 2007, 09:09:50 PM ---
--- Quote from: Zvulun ben Moshe on June 13, 2007, 08:43:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: Imerica on June 13, 2007, 08:41:08 PM ---
--- Quote from: Zvulun ben Moshe on June 13, 2007, 08:37:59 PM ---Have you ever hit another car or person, while driving?
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Thankfully I haven't. I had a close one a few weeks ago but there was no contact.
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There was no contact? Great. But it could have occurred, right?
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You're right, but the difference between the accident and Chaim is that I didn't set out to hurt anyone. I went to pick my stepdaughter up from school and turned too widly out into the road. It was my fault. Chaim knew that there would be a possibility that someone could get hurt by his actions, and he did it anyway. The similarity though is that both Chaim and I owned up to what we'd done.
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The difference is that Chaim was honest with himself and with others about chances of hurting someone, and you did not.
When you shop for a car, when you get your driver's licence, and finally when you drive irresponsibly, you choose not to accept the possibility of hurting someone or choose to rely on your insurance policy. That's it.
But the real difference is that you could rely on your insurance, but Chaim could not.
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What are you saying, that I denied ever doing anything wrong. That's totally untrue... there are posts where i said I apologized because I didn't see him. I owned up to it. And a bomb is nothing like a car, only that in careless hands they both can hurt people. The thing is that you dont' need a bomb to take you from point A to point B. After the bomb is dropped, its gone from point A to ground zero...(No reference to WTC... ground zero would be any target).
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I wanted you to feel the difference. Neither you nor Chaim intended to hurt anyone and have not. That's why the names Erica and Chaim will still be popular, unless Erica does something really bad.
Osama, on the other leg, intended and did kill thousands of innocent Americans, and this name, unfortunately for all of us, will be associated with evil.
That kid was innocent, but the first party that his parents have to sue is not the US Government, but Osama bin Laden's family and the Saudi Royal Family.
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I see what you're saying, but I have to say that driving a car won't land you in jail... carrying a bomb will though. But I'll concede with the fact that in the wrong hands, both are extremely dangerous. Drunk driver, visually impaired driver... Man on a mission to scare some people.
ETA: Osama will be dealt with if he isn't already dead. And the family should just live with the name they gave their child. They should teach him how to make that name synonomous with peace, intelligence, tolerance, and creativity. Forget suing anyone. The federal govt isn't to blame for what they named his son. It was their choice to change his name and their decision to strip the boy of his identity (non-relative to Osama Bin Laden).
Zvulun Ben Moshe:
Erica, thank you for this long, but very productive debate.
Imerica:
--- Quote from: Zvulun ben Moshe on June 14, 2007, 01:22:21 AM ---Erica, thank you for this long, but very productive debate.
--- End quote ---
I don't know how productive its been but thank you also.
Zvulun Ben Moshe:
--- Quote from: Imerica on June 14, 2007, 01:12:01 AM ---
--- Quote from: Zvulun ben Moshe on June 14, 2007, 01:05:00 AM ---
--- Quote from: Imerica on June 14, 2007, 12:48:11 AM ---
--- Quote from: Zvulun ben Moshe on June 13, 2007, 09:42:04 PM ---
--- Quote from: Imerica on June 13, 2007, 09:09:50 PM ---
--- Quote from: Zvulun ben Moshe on June 13, 2007, 08:43:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: Imerica on June 13, 2007, 08:41:08 PM ---
--- Quote from: Zvulun ben Moshe on June 13, 2007, 08:37:59 PM ---Have you ever hit another car or person, while driving?
--- End quote ---
Thankfully I haven't. I had a close one a few weeks ago but there was no contact.
--- End quote ---
There was no contact? Great. But it could have occurred, right?
--- End quote ---
You're right, but the difference between the accident and Chaim is that I didn't set out to hurt anyone. I went to pick my stepdaughter up from school and turned too widly out into the road. It was my fault. Chaim knew that there would be a possibility that someone could get hurt by his actions, and he did it anyway. The similarity though is that both Chaim and I owned up to what we'd done.
--- End quote ---
The difference is that Chaim was honest with himself and with others about chances of hurting someone, and you did not.
When you shop for a car, when you get your driver's licence, and finally when you drive irresponsibly, you choose not to accept the possibility of hurting someone or choose to rely on your insurance policy. That's it.
But the real difference is that you could rely on your insurance, but Chaim could not.
--- End quote ---
What are you saying, that I denied ever doing anything wrong. That's totally untrue... there are posts where i said I apologized because I didn't see him. I owned up to it. And a bomb is nothing like a car, only that in careless hands they both can hurt people. The thing is that you dont' need a bomb to take you from point A to point B. After the bomb is dropped, its gone from point A to ground zero...(No reference to WTC... ground zero would be any target).
--- End quote ---
I wanted you to feel the difference. Neither you nor Chaim intended to hurt anyone and have not. That's why the names Erica and Chaim will still be popular, unless Erica does something really bad.
Osama, on the other leg, intended and did kill thousands of innocent Americans, and this name, unfortunately for all of us, will be associated with evil.
That kid was innocent, but the first party that his parents have to sue is not the US Government, but Osama bin Laden's family and the Saudi Royal Family.
--- End quote ---
I see what you're saying, but I have to say that driving a car won't land you in jail... carrying a bomb will though. But I'll concede with the fact that in the wrong hands, both are extremely dangerous. Drunk driver, visually impaired driver... Man on a mission to scare some people.
ETA: Osama will be dealt with if he isn't already dead. And the family should just live with the name they gave their child. They should teach him how to make that name synonomous with peace, intelligence, tolerance, and creativity. Forget suing anyone. The federal govt isn't to blame for what they named his son. It was their choice to change his name and their decision to strip the boy of his identity (non-relative to Osama Bin Laden).
--- End quote ---
When you look at your first and last post here, you will understand how productive it was.
Imerica:
--- Quote from: Zvulun ben Moshe on June 14, 2007, 01:26:41 AM ---
--- Quote from: Imerica on June 14, 2007, 01:12:01 AM ---
--- Quote from: Zvulun ben Moshe on June 14, 2007, 01:05:00 AM ---
--- Quote from: Imerica on June 14, 2007, 12:48:11 AM ---
--- Quote from: Zvulun ben Moshe on June 13, 2007, 09:42:04 PM ---
--- Quote from: Imerica on June 13, 2007, 09:09:50 PM ---
--- Quote from: Zvulun ben Moshe on June 13, 2007, 08:43:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: Imerica on June 13, 2007, 08:41:08 PM ---
--- Quote from: Zvulun ben Moshe on June 13, 2007, 08:37:59 PM ---Have you ever hit another car or person, while driving?
--- End quote ---
Thankfully I haven't. I had a close one a few weeks ago but there was no contact.
--- End quote ---
There was no contact? Great. But it could have occurred, right?
--- End quote ---
You're right, but the difference between the accident and Chaim is that I didn't set out to hurt anyone. I went to pick my stepdaughter up from school and turned too widly out into the road. It was my fault. Chaim knew that there would be a possibility that someone could get hurt by his actions, and he did it anyway. The similarity though is that both Chaim and I owned up to what we'd done.
--- End quote ---
The difference is that Chaim was honest with himself and with others about chances of hurting someone, and you did not.
When you shop for a car, when you get your driver's licence, and finally when you drive irresponsibly, you choose not to accept the possibility of hurting someone or choose to rely on your insurance policy. That's it.
But the real difference is that you could rely on your insurance, but Chaim could not.
--- End quote ---
What are you saying, that I denied ever doing anything wrong. That's totally untrue... there are posts where i said I apologized because I didn't see him. I owned up to it. And a bomb is nothing like a car, only that in careless hands they both can hurt people. The thing is that you dont' need a bomb to take you from point A to point B. After the bomb is dropped, its gone from point A to ground zero...(No reference to WTC... ground zero would be any target).
--- End quote ---
I wanted you to feel the difference. Neither you nor Chaim intended to hurt anyone and have not. That's why the names Erica and Chaim will still be popular, unless Erica does something really bad.
Osama, on the other leg, intended and did kill thousands of innocent Americans, and this name, unfortunately for all of us, will be associated with evil.
That kid was innocent, but the first party that his parents have to sue is not the US Government, but Osama bin Laden's family and the Saudi Royal Family.
--- End quote ---
I see what you're saying, but I have to say that driving a car won't land you in jail... carrying a bomb will though. But I'll concede with the fact that in the wrong hands, both are extremely dangerous. Drunk driver, visually impaired driver... Man on a mission to scare some people.
ETA: Osama will be dealt with if he isn't already dead. And the family should just live with the name they gave their child. They should teach him how to make that name synonomous with peace, intelligence, tolerance, and creativity. Forget suing anyone. The federal govt isn't to blame for what they named his son. It was their choice to change his name and their decision to strip the boy of his identity (non-relative to Osama Bin Laden).
--- End quote ---
When you look at your first and last post here, you will understand how productive it was.
--- End quote ---
:) Thanks again.
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