Author Topic: DNA Evidence Jewish people descend from the ancient Israelites  (Read 9091 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline White Israelite

  • Ultimate JTFer
  • *******
  • Posts: 4535
I guess this should put that "Khazar" myth to a rest.

Had a gentleman from the university of North Western Illinois analyze my DNA, despite my mother being European ancestry (converted) and my father was Jewish, there is still a very high percentage of middle eastern blood in my test results.



Thought you guys would find this interesting.

First these are my Haplotypes.

My mother is mtDNA H1 which is common in Iberian people (Spanish, Basque, French), it's also found in most of Europe at medium frequencies but highest in Iberia.

My father is Y DNA J1c3 P-58 which is purely a marker found in Semites, it's in highest frequency amongst the Cohanim.

This is my analysis from Mr Doug Mcdonald from the Illinois University

Male









Most likely fit is 75.9% (+- 14.7%) Europe (various subcontinents)

and 24.1% (+- 14.7%) Mideast (various subcontinents)

 

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,

most likely at the top

  Tuscan= 0.153  Hungary= 0.566   Jewish= 0.280

  French= 0.126  Hungary= 0.509   Jewish= 0.366

   Spain= 0.072  Hungary= 0.577   Jewish= 0.351

Italian= 0.106  Hungary= 0.566   Jewish= 0.328

  Tuscan= 0.714  Russian= 0.262 Mozabite= 0.024

Sardinia= 0.033  Hungary= 0.618   Jewish= 0.348

English= 0.118  Hungary= 0.488   Jewish= 0.394

  Tuscan= 0.111  Romania= 0.866 Moroccan= 0.023

  Tuscan= 0.150  Romania= 0.832 Mozabite= 0.018

  Tuscan= 0.372  Belorus= 0.355   Jewish= 0.273

 

Second most likely fit is 88.3% (+-  8.9%) Europe (all Southeast Europe)

and  0.3% (+-  0.2%) Africa (various subcontinents)

and 11.4% (+-  9.0%) Mideast (all Jewish)

 

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,

most likely at the top

Hungary= 0.616   Yoruba= 0.000   Jewish= 0.384

Romania= 0.920 Ethiopia= 0.007   Jewish= 0.073

Romania= 0.920 Ethiopia= 0.007   Jewish= 0.073

Romania= 0.910 Mandenka= 0.002   Jewish= 0.088

Romania= 0.913   Maasai= 0.003   Jewish= 0.084

Romania= 0.916 Ethiopia= 0.004   Jewish= 0.080

Romania= 0.910   Yoruba= 0.002   Jewish= 0.088

Romania= 0.910 Bantu Ke= 0.002   Jewish= 0.088

Romania= 0.909 Bantu So= 0.002   Jewish= 0.089

Romania= 0.907 Biaka Py= 0.000   Jewish= 0.093

 

 

However, if you look at the PCA “scatter” plot with the Jews at the top,

you appear (based on verticfal position) to be roughly 25-35% Jewish,

and this is usually very accurate. The red spot on the map is probably

a good indication of your average European (i.e. non-Jewish)
ancestry. As to African, all Mideasteners except thye Caucasus people

test part African, nincluding  Jews, and this just indicates a TINY bit more

than average.


Offline Dr. Dan

  • Forum Administrator
  • Gold Star JTF Member
  • *
  • Posts: 12593
Re: DNA Evidence Jewish people descend from the ancient Israelites
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2011, 08:00:02 PM »
Genes shouldn't define anyone as a jew. It's what is in your heart and soul that should first define you as one.
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

In your heart you know WE are right and in your guts you know THEY are nuts!

"Science without religion is lame; Religion without science is blind."  - Albert Einstein

Offline muman613

  • Platinum JTF Member
  • **********
  • Posts: 29958
  • All souls praise Hashem, Hallelukah!
    • muman613 Torah Wisdom
Re: DNA Evidence Jewish people descend from the ancient Israelites
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2011, 08:02:57 PM »
Genes shouldn't define anyone as a jew. It's what is in your heart and soul that should first define you as one.

And whether your mother is Jewish or was a convert.

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

Offline Kahane-Was-Right BT

  • Honorable Winged Member
  • Gold Star JTF Member
  • *
  • Posts: 12581
Re: DNA Evidence Jewish people descend from the ancient Israelites
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2011, 08:21:50 PM »
He calls european as non-Jewish ancestry, but Jews settled in France and Germany from the times of the Roman empire.   These jews were from Eretz Yisrael and from Italy.   So this whole exercise is stupid, and the professor who measured your DNA accepts the myths that Jews from Europe are not semitic.   Also, if your mom was a convert, what is the point of this?   OF COURSE SHE WILL NOT HAVE JEWISH ANCESTRY GENETICALLY.   She came from a family of NON-JEWS.

Think about it this way, your dad is middle eastern ancestry, and yet here you have this professor telling you that you only have 25-30% semitic ancestry.   What do you need this stuff for?

Offline Meerkat

  • Master JTFer
  • ******
  • Posts: 1426
  • Yemach Shmam to Egypt and Iran
Re: DNA Evidence Jewish people descend from the ancient Israelites
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2011, 08:24:42 PM »
DNA is a jewish lie! its as fake as osama's involvement in 9/11 and the moon landing.

david duke is right!

(and yes, this is sarcasm)

Offline muman613

  • Platinum JTF Member
  • **********
  • Posts: 29958
  • All souls praise Hashem, Hallelukah!
    • muman613 Torah Wisdom
Re: DNA Evidence Jewish people descend from the ancient Israelites
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2011, 08:30:32 PM »
DNA is a jewish lie! its as fake as osama's involvement in 9/11 and the moon landing.

david duke is right!

(and yes, this is sarcasm)

You are getting funnier... Very good!

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

Offline White Israelite

  • Ultimate JTFer
  • *******
  • Posts: 4535
Re: DNA Evidence Jewish people descend from the ancient Israelites
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2011, 08:31:42 PM »
I understand about Jewishness being determined by the mother but the DNA refutes this so called Khazar myth being spread around.

Offline Kahane-Was-Right BT

  • Honorable Winged Member
  • Gold Star JTF Member
  • *
  • Posts: 12581
Re: DNA Evidence Jewish people descend from the ancient Israelites
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2011, 08:46:49 PM »
I understand about Jewishness being determined by the mother but the DNA refutes this so called Khazar myth being spread around.

But the test of your DNA doesn't really address that at all.

Offline White Israelite

  • Ultimate JTFer
  • *******
  • Posts: 4535
Re: DNA Evidence Jewish people descend from the ancient Israelites
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2011, 09:00:40 PM »
But the test of your DNA doesn't really address that at all.

The Khazars were a Mongol people which goes against what the test is showing.

The European blood comes from my mother and the Middle Eastern blood from my father, the cluster is identical to the other Jewish groups which is separated from the European population.

The haplotype on the Y chromosome also indicates that as a J1c3 (formally J1e)

J1c3 is found in the following popluations.




Haplogroup J1c3 - formerly j1e
Possible time of origin    9,000 to 10,000 BP[citation needed]
Possible place of origin    Middle East
Ancestor    J1c
Descendants    J1c3a, J1c3b, J1c3c, J1c3d
Defining mutations    P58/Page8
Highest frequencies    Semites

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J1c3_%28Y-DNA%29

A 2009 study concluded that the haplogroup had a more Northern origin than previously thought. The origin of J1c3 is likely in the more northerly populations, spreading southward into the Arabian Peninsula. The high YSTR variance of J1c3 in Turks and Syrians supports the inference of an origin of J1c3 in nearby eastern Anatolia (the largest variance occurs in eastern Turkey, northern Iraq and northwestern Iran). Moreover, the network analysis of J1c3 haplotypes shows that some of the populations with low diversity, such as Bedouins from Israel, Qatar, Sudan and UAE, are tightly clustered near high-frequency haplotypes suggesting founder effects with star burst expansion in the Arabian Desert.[1] The overall conclusion of the study was that that J1c3 arose from pastoral nomads who would migrate based on rainfall patterns from the Zagros and Taurus mountains to the Levant, with the first such migration occurring during the neolithic period.

Offline Dr. Dan

  • Forum Administrator
  • Gold Star JTF Member
  • *
  • Posts: 12593
Re: DNA Evidence Jewish people descend from the ancient Israelites
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2011, 10:39:39 PM »
And whether your mother is Jewish or was a convert.



That too. But if a child had a mother as a convert or even both parents converts, they aren't genetically jewish, but still be jewish. So it's not genes exclusively.
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

In your heart you know WE are right and in your guts you know THEY are nuts!

"Science without religion is lame; Religion without science is blind."  - Albert Einstein

Offline Kahane-Was-Right BT

  • Honorable Winged Member
  • Gold Star JTF Member
  • *
  • Posts: 12581
Re: DNA Evidence Jewish people descend from the ancient Israelites
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2011, 02:04:45 AM »
The Khazars were a Mongol people which goes against what the test is showing 

This test isn't showing anything to do with that.   Your father is not a European Jew.  So there is no relevance to the BS Khazar theory.

Offline Yaakov Mendel

  • Honorable Winged Member
  • Master JTFer
  • *
  • Posts: 1766
Re: DNA Evidence Jewish people descend from the ancient Israelites
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2011, 03:37:30 AM »

European Jews are Jews !! This "gentleman from the university of North Western Illinois" can shove his DNA analyses where you know...

Offline mord

  • Global Moderator
  • Platinum JTF Member
  • *
  • Posts: 25853
Re: DNA Evidence Jewish people descend from the ancient Israelites
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2011, 06:26:13 AM »
This test isn't showing anything to do with that.   Your father is not a European Jew.  So there is no relevance to the BS Khazar theory.
Yes his Father is a Jew from Europe but his Genes are Semitic.W.I isn't your mother Bavarian? but it says Iberian
Thy destroyers and they that make thee waste shall go forth of thee.  Isaiah 49:17

 
Shot at 2010-01-03

Offline White Israelite

  • Ultimate JTFer
  • *******
  • Posts: 4535
Re: DNA Evidence Jewish people descend from the ancient Israelites
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2011, 11:34:39 AM »
European Jews are Jews !! This "gentleman from the university of North Western Illinois" can shove his DNA analyses where you know...

Yaakov, Mcdonalds studies have proven European Jews are also of Middle Eastern ancestry, he uses Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews showing that they cluster closer together in DNA studies than to the European populations.

Offline Kahane-Was-Right BT

  • Honorable Winged Member
  • Gold Star JTF Member
  • *
  • Posts: 12581
Re: DNA Evidence Jewish people descend from the ancient Israelites
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2011, 04:02:59 PM »
Yes his Father is a Jew from Europe but his Genes are Semitic.W.I isn't your mother Bavarian? but it says Iberian

Uhh, no, I'm pretty sure his father is Sephardi/mizrachi.  White israelite, didn't you once say your father was a syrian or morrocan Jew?

Offline IsraelForever

  • Master JTFer
  • ******
  • Posts: 1834
Re: DNA Evidence Jewish people descend from the ancient Israelites
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2011, 12:54:42 AM »
I can guarantee you that if you look at my DNA under a microscope that it spells J-E-W.

Offline White Israelite

  • Ultimate JTFer
  • *******
  • Posts: 4535
Re: DNA Evidence Jewish people descend from the ancient Israelites
« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2011, 12:55:10 AM »
Uhh, no, I'm pretty sure his father is Sephardi/mizrachi.  White israelite, didn't you once say your father was a syrian or morrocan Jew?

Syrian, some of the family lived in Romania in Bucharest as well which was Sephardic up until the late 1800's
« Last Edit: May 10, 2011, 01:08:15 AM by White Israelite »

Offline Kahane-Was-Right BT

  • Honorable Winged Member
  • Gold Star JTF Member
  • *
  • Posts: 12581
Re: DNA Evidence Jewish people descend from the ancient Israelites
« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2011, 01:44:59 PM »
Syrian, some of the family lived in Romania in Bucharest as well which was Sephardic up until the late 1800's

I see.  Well, like I said, your father is a mizrachi Jew and so the test you did has no relevance to the khazar theory BS.

Offline Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks

  • Honorable Winged Member
  • Gold Star JTF Member
  • *
  • Posts: 23384
  • Real Kahanist
Re: DNA Evidence Jewish people descend from the ancient Israelites
« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2011, 08:50:03 PM »
Good find WI, but the zombies who believe the Khazar lie won't pay any attention. No joke, some Nazis believe that Jews are space aliens.

Offline Kahane-Was-Right BT

  • Honorable Winged Member
  • Gold Star JTF Member
  • *
  • Posts: 12581
Re: DNA Evidence Jewish people descend from the ancient Israelites
« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2011, 08:52:52 PM »
Good find WI, but the zombies who believe the Khazar lie won't pay any attention. No joke, some Nazis believe that Jews are space aliens.

But this has no relation to the khazar krap.

Offline Rubystars

  • Gold Star JTF Member
  • *********
  • Posts: 18307
  • Extreme MAGA Republican
Re: DNA Evidence Jewish people descend from the ancient Israelites
« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2011, 02:35:39 PM »
I guess this should put that "Khazar" myth to a rest.

That myth only exists because of anti-Semitism, not any true evidence, so it will exist as long as anti-Semites exist. They don't use evidence-based thinking to come to their conclusions.


Offline Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks

  • Honorable Winged Member
  • Gold Star JTF Member
  • *
  • Posts: 23384
  • Real Kahanist
Re: DNA Evidence Jewish people descend from the ancient Israelites
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2011, 06:21:22 PM »
That myth only exists because of anti-Semitism, not any true evidence, so it will exist as long as anti-Semites exist. They don't use evidence-based thinking to come to their conclusions.


Absolutely. The people who believe in this would believe the moon is made of green cheese if it would cause Jews to die.