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muman613:
I watched this video last night and it is a very good 1h30m video which goes into depth about the prophecies concerning the coming of Moshiach including the signs {which Rabbi Mizrachi obviously believes to be happening now}.

http://www.divineinformation.com/videos-english/how-to-bring-mashiach/

edu:
The Talmud in Megilla page 17 tells us about the stages of the redemption, what comes first.
Namely, the agricultural blessing of the land of Israel, ingathering of the exiles to Israel,
Return of the Good Judges to the Jewish People, the victory over various ideoligical opponents of Judaism, the strengthening of the righteous, the building of Jerusalem, which according to the Havinenu prayer includes the repairing of the Temple Sanctuary {Heichal}. Only after this is the sprouting of the offspring of David and his "horn of salvation".
You could possible contend that all these stages will happen very quickly.
But I think history shows that we have been, more successful, when we have tried to do actions to push forward the beginning stages of redemption, rather than just waiting for Mashiach to come and do everything.

muman613:

--- Quote from: edu on June 02, 2011, 02:05:51 AM ---The Talmud in Megilla page 17 tells us about the stages of the redemption, what comes first.
Namely, the agricultural blessing of the land of Israel, ingathering of the exiles to Israel,
Return of the Good Judges to the Jewish People, the victory over various ideoligical opponents of Judaism, the strengthening of the righteous, the building of Jerusalem, which according to the Havinenu prayer includes the repairing of the Temple Sanctuary {Heichal}. Only after this is the sprouting of the offspring of David and his "horn of salvation".
You could possible contend that all these stages will happen very quickly.
But I think history shows that we have been, more successful, when we have tried to do actions to push forward the beginning stages of redemption, rather than just waiting for Mashiach to come and do everything.

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Yes, Rabbi Mizrachi discusses that and other discussions in Tanach and Talmud concerning Moshiach...

This video from Chabad of the Rebbe speaking about Moshiach is very interesting also:

muman613:
One of the signs which I have heard numerous Rabbis discuss is the concept that in the generation before the coming of Moshiach the people will have a face like a dog.


--- Quote ---http://www.inner.org/leader/leader5.htm

In the Talmud, a series of prophetic predictions are given regarding events that will occur before the coming of Mashiach. One of these "signs" is that the generation preceding Mashiach will have "a face like a dog." Among many possible interpretations is that a dog always runs ahead of his master appearing to lead, but always looks back to his master to get a sign as to which direction he should go. This can be compared to today, where most "leaders" lead only in appearance, forever looking behind at the press and public opinion polls to gauge which opinions to adopt.

Within this negative development is actually hidden a positive aspect if properly applied. A true leader in a sense also "looks back," but for different reasons. As discussed above, the word for "messenger," shaliach, with an additional yud numerically equals Mashiach, 358. As the ultimate leader, Mashiach not only leads but is forever "looking back" to G-d, the source of his message, for instruction as to which direction to pursue. Additionally, a compassionate leader "looks back" to his generation, forever strengthening the soul connection between them.

The most telling sign of a leader is whether his people are joyous and content. The letters of Mashiach when rearranged spell the word "to be joyous.". At the conclusion of the dedication of the first Temple by Solomon it is written: "On the eighth day he sent away the people and they blessed the king and went to their tents joyful and glad of heart for all the goodness that G-d had done for David His servant and for Israel His people." The number eight always signifies a level above nature and logic. The bond between king and people transcends all other relationships, touching the deepest supra conscious point of the soul, the yechidah, the origin point of the spark of Mashiach within each individual Jewish soul. The sense of joy emanating from the soul-union of king and people creates an experience of redemption and new life. This is referred to as the passion "to see the king in his glory." The phenomenon of movie stars, performers and sports figures commanding loyal followings, to the occasional point of near hysteria, is but a perverted shadow image of this reality.
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--- Quote ---http://www.torah.org/learning/perceptions/5759/haazinu.html

The Talmud says that, the generation right before Moshiach comes will have the "face of a dog" (Sanhedrin 97a). A dog can have a positive connotation in Judaism, but, in most cases, and certainly within the context of this Talmudic discussion, it is a negative one.

At the end of Parashas Beshallach, Rashi indicates that the dog even symbolizes Amalek. If so, then maybe the Talmud means:

Before Moshiach, the generation will have the face of Amalek!

The "face of Amalek"? What kind of face is that?!

As we have discussed on so many occasions before, Amalek epitomizes doubt more than anything else in creation, specifically doubt in G-d and Torah ... a doubt that results in losing appreciation of Torah, and its depth. Whether Rashi was hinting at this point or not is hard to know. However, it remains to be true nonetheless, and an important idea to integrate at a time in history when so many, Rachmanah L'itzlan (Heaven help us), are prepared to "throw" Torah to the dogs.
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muman613:
Here is a portion of Talmud Sanhedrin which discusses these signs: http://www.neveh.org/winston/parsha58/shavuos_5758_part_1.html

Rebi Yochanan said: In the generation that Ben Dovid will come, talmidei chachamim will decrease, and the eyes of the remainder will protrude from sighing and sorrow; many chastisements and many evil decrees will be renewed; one will not cease before another begins.

The rabbis taught: The Shmittah period in which Ben David will come the following verse will be fulfilled in the first year, "And I caused it to rain upon one city, and upon another city I caused it not to rain." (Amos 4:7). In the second year, slight famine will be sent. In the third year, a great famine from which men, women, and children, pious and deed-doing people will die, and Torah will be forgotten by those who learned her. In the fourth year, some will be satiated, and others will not be. In the fifth year, there will be great satiation, with eating, drinking, and joy, and Torah will return to those who learned it. In the sixth year, voices [speaking of the Moshiach's imminent arrival] will be heard, and in the seventh year, there will be war [Gog u'Magog]. In the year after the seventh, Ben Dovid will come. Rab Yosef said, "Many Shmittah cycles have come and he did not arrive!" Abaye answered, "Were there voices in the sixth year followed by war in the seventh year? Secondly, did they follow this order?"

Rebi Yehuda said: The generation in which Ben Dovid will come ... The wisdom of the scribes will be corrupted; men fearing sin will be hated; the leaders of the generation will have the nature of dogs; and truth will be lacking ... He who turns away from evil will be regarded by the public as being foolish.

Rebi Nehorai taught: The generation in which Ben Dovid will come the young will embarrass the old, and the old will rise for the young; a daughter will rebel against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, the leaders of the generation will have the nature of dogs, and a son will feel no shame when criticized by his father.

Reb Nechemia taught: The generation in which Ben Dovid will come, insolence will increase, respect will be missing ... and all the governments will turn to false beliefs (minnus); criticism will be of no avail.

Ben Dovid will not come until informers increase ... And hope in the redemption is renounced. (Sanhedrin 97a)

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