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Muslims secretly convert to Christianity in Iran
« on: July 13, 2011, 06:52:55 PM »
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Re: Muslims secretly convert to Christianity in Iran
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2011, 07:36:45 PM »
Good. Maybe there's hope.
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Re: Muslims secretly convert to Christianity in Iran
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2011, 08:10:21 PM »
Why?
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Muslims secretly convert to Christianity in Iran
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2011, 08:40:59 PM »
I admire their courage. I also think it's great they have such energetic services where they can fellowship with each other. I hope they succeed in bringing Iran away from Islam.

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Re: Muslims secretly convert to Christianity in Iran
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2011, 09:03:05 PM »
I admire their courage. I also think it's great they have such energetic services where they can fellowship with each other. I hope they succeed in bringing Iran away from Islam.

That would be nice...
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Muslims secretly convert to Christianity in Iran
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2011, 04:25:02 PM »
One reason my response to this post was 'Why?' is because converting to any non-Muslim religion will bring with it a death penalty. This story in todays news brings that to light...



http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/07/14/evangelical-pastor-in-iran-may-face-death-if-doesnt-recant/

Iranian Pastor Sentenced to Death Could Be Executed if He Doesn’t Recant, Says Verdict
By Amy Kellogg
Published July 13, 2011 | FoxNews.com


Iran's Supreme Court says an evangelical pastor charged with apostasy can be executed if he does not recant his faith, according to a copy of the verdict obtained by a religious rights activist group.

Christian Solidarity World says Iranian-born Yousef Nadarkhani, who was arrested in 2009 and given the death sentence late last year, could have his sentence suspended on the grounds that he renounce his faith.

Those who know him say he is not likely to do that, for if he were disposed to giving it up, he would have done it long ago.

If Nadarkhani does not recant, his fate is unclear. It’s believed his case would then be remanded to lower courts in Iran.

Recently the U.S. State Department issued the following remarks: “We are dismayed over reports that the Iranian courts are requiring Yousef Nadarkhani to recant his faith or face the death penalty for apostasy, a charge based on his religious beliefs. If carried out, it would be the first execution for apostasy in Iran since 1990. He is just one of thousands who face persecution for their religious beliefs in Iran, including the seven leaders of the Baha’i community whose imprisonment was increased to twenty years for practicing their faith and hundreds of Sufis who have been flogged in public because of their beliefs.”

Christian and human rights groups say apostasy isn’t even codified in Iranian law.

“From a human rights perspective, you can’t criminalize someone’s choice of religion, much less execute them for that,” says Hadi Ghaemi, executive director of the International Campaign for Human Rights in Iran.

Nadarkhani, from Rasht, on the Caspian Sea, converted to Christianity as a teenager. He is reportedly an effective pastor, who has converted an unknown number of people from Islam to Christianity.

Some believe he has about 400 people in his church.

Iran has ancient Armenian and Assyrian churches. The Evangelical Church of Iran is relatively new, church officials tell Fox News, a product of the legacy of Anglican missionaries who were in Iran in the last two centuries. Even after the Islamic Revolution, Iran been fairly tolerant of the older Armenian and Assyrian orders, which date back to the early days of Christianity, but has been less accepting of Evangelical conversions.

Firouz Khandjani, a spokesman for the evangelical Church of Iran, lives in exile in Eastern Europe. He fled Iran for Turkey for security reasons, but says even in his new homeland he's not safe, and was informed he could be targeted by Iranian agents in Turkey.

Khandjani says a sort of “soft persecution” began after the Revolution, with Christians generally losing many civil rights, including access to top jobs in the country, but has increased since President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad took office in 2005.

Khandjani himself was arrested and released 18 years ago. But he says about 40 people have been arrested, many of them also released, since Ahmadinejad became President.

“I can’t say Ahmadinejad is persecuting us, but the hard-liners around him are. The leadership needs hard-liners to permit them to do what they want. They need their support.”

It is hard to get a number on how many Evangelical Christians there are in Iran. It is not a large number in this country of 70 million, but reportedly, the numbers continue to grow. The International Campaign for Human Rights in Iran estimates there may be 4,000. Khandjani believes the number to be as high as 200,000. Many of them watch evangelical television stations beamed into Iran from the United States.

Ghaemi says, “Most churches in Iran operate with some degree of secrecy. They operate in homes. People take their batteries out of their cellphones and leave them at the door. They show up at random times so as to avoid the appearance of a crowd filing in. The current government sees them as a threat.”

Ghaemi says there had been a tacit agreement between the Ministry of Intelligence and the Church of Iran, whereby if worshippers were open, and told the Ministry where they were going, the government would leave them alone. The government appears to have broken that “gentlemen’s agreement.”

Firouz Khandjani said the church wanted to be out in the open, and had asked to have physical churches in which to operate under the previous presidential administration.

“It was in the time of Khatami. We believed it was possible. He was more open to minority groups, but unfortunately, he didn’t have the will. We had believed in him.”

A court in Shiraz, Iran, recently released a group of Christians who had been arrested for subversion. The court ultimately ruled that they were just exercising their right to practice their religion. Human rights advocates say the higher courts should follow their example.

Sources say while the Iranian regime doesn’t look fondly upon conversion, it is proselytizing that really rankles them.

Khandjani made a plea to America.

“The U.S., which is fighting for freedom, has to take care of this situation. This is the 21st century. We are not a military group. We want to worship G-d, according to the Gospel, and being persecuted is not acceptable.”



PS: I must say that I don't support missionizing by Christians especially in Israel... I think that Christian missionaries should be deported from Israel...

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: Muslims secretly convert to Christianity in Iran
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2011, 08:11:55 PM »
Good for these courageous Iranians who have decided to leave satanism. Granted, a lot of Middle East "Christians" are nothing of the sort, but I believe that these are the real thing. I don't think people would decide to put their lives on the line and risk martyrdom in order to become phony, Muslim-loving "believers".

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Re: Muslims secretly convert to Christianity in Iran
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2011, 09:21:38 PM »
Its just a small fringe group I think

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Re: Muslims secretly convert to Christianity in Iran
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2011, 04:02:26 AM »
Geesh, I respect what they are doing, but they will not live long.  Being an apostate in Iran is like being white in an all black prison.

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Re: Muslims secretly convert to Christianity in Iran
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2011, 07:18:51 AM »
Looks like charismatics. But better than Muslims for shure.
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Re: Muslims secretly convert to Christianity in Iran
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2011, 07:33:35 AM »
Geesh, I respect what they are doing, but they will not live long.  Being an apostate in Iran is like being white in an all black prison.

Christians have always faced some form of persecution although in the modern world we don't see it as much in the West this is not anything new to the rest of the world.

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Re: Muslims secretly convert to Christianity in Iran
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2011, 01:04:59 PM »
maybe there is hope for the middle east. maybe it will get it's 2nd civilized country. that might be a stretch, but there's no hurt in hoping for it.

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Re: Muslims secretly convert to Christianity in Iran
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2011, 08:26:19 PM »
Orthodox priest in Sarajevo, capital city of Bosnia, recently told news reporters that many people from prominent muslim families are coming to him to be baptized as Orthodox Christians. Their forefathers had made mistake when they converted to the religion of their conquerors.
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Re: Muslims secretly convert to Christianity in Iran
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2011, 03:29:05 PM »
Orthodox priest in Sarajevo, capital city of Bosnia, recently told news reporters that many people from prominent muslim families are coming to him to be baptized as Orthodox Christians. Their forefathers had made mistake when they converted to the religion of their conquerors.
G-d bless these brave Bosnians (not that there is such a thing as Bosnia or Bosnians) who are seeing the light and returning to their heroic Serb roots.