Medical marijuana in israel?

[Sveta]

Many people smoke pot once in a while in the weekends then go back to work, do a good job, pay their taxes, pay their bills and are productive citizens. I'm sick of the demonizing of marijuana and don't care what people say. It's becoming an infraction in some places where if you get caught with a miniscule amount you just get a little fine and that's it, not even a crime anymore in this state Why in the world would peaceful pot users go to prison, why in the world would people want that. Putting regular people who enjoy a little toke on the weekend once a year or once every other month to chill out and otherwise remain clean the rest of their time being productive citizens be throw in into violent prisons with murderers and rapists. You think the prospect of being thrown in a prison and becoming an inmate's b*tch is deterring more and more Americans from trying pot because it's not. Lots of people are in favor of medical marijuana and many do not want to bring criminal charges against ordinary citizens who use it for enjoyment like alcohol. Sure pot head bums are bad because they are a waste on society but a growing number of hardworking tax paying americans are waking up to the fact that once upon a time marijuana was legal in the USA and was like drinking alcohol or smoking tobacco. i hate the idea of seeing good people end up in prison with a criminal record for having a tiny amount of plant. Must be great for people to judge and be on a pedestal while in fact the tobacco and alcohol companies get rich off alcoholics who drive while drunk or giving people lung cancer and addicted from nicotine.
It's not heroin, it's not making people go out on murderous shooting sprees or turning them into meth crack head junkies. This is not cocaine or speed. It shrinks cancer cells, it help people with glaucoma. It's not going to destroy all morals and values, I laugh at the parents who find a joint in their college son's room and act like it's the end of the world. I agree with being people harsh sentences for coke or speed or meth because they put society at risk. I agree with super harsh sentences to people who sell pot to kids. But if someone is in their room alone on a Saturday night at 11pm and tokes up a little bit and watches a tv show and laughs their bum off to the point of rolling on the floor laughing then falls asleep and have the best night rest and wake up feeling happy and refreshed and ready for another week of hard work and paying bills. All while putting no one at risk... but then have some strangers call them a criminal and say that they should got to jail for this then I feel I may be in the wrong place. And feel free to ban me if you want. :(
People can call me anything they want or be against me. That's people's opinions no big deal.
Take care everyone. Peace out. Israel for ever!!

BTW this guy receives legal pot from the federal government. For 25 years. So far no lung cancer, no dead brain cells, he's not a looser or jobless  bum. He's a successful stock broker with a family and a home.

So I guess marijuana did NOT destroy his life

[Dr. Dan]

"One who smokes and knows that it causes cancer is violating a mitzvah"
Agreed 100%

But what about if he eats it or vaporizes it there is no cancer risk there.

There is a risk to the lungs and the gums (those I know for sure).

Hookas are also. You shouldn't put crap in your lungs

[Dr. Dan]

Dr Dan,
Weed does not kill brain cells , but it does cause amotivational syndrome. If you can show us evidence to the contrary, that would be cool.

2.Please why do you think they have to be in pill form like marinol so they can put a patent on it, you can just eat the plant.

3. Why do you think harsh penalties should be enforced. What if you have a son in college and he has big dreams like you did in school, would you really want your son locked up for 2 years (that is the law in some states) and ruin his life for a stupid plant that make you giggle little and hungry?  Really? You would want that on citizens ? I worked in the NYPD as saw many good citizens because criminals because of this.
Don't you think that is cruel and unusual punishment ( thus unconstitutional)

I may not be the voice of wisdom on this forum, but I think I speak for the little people that are being bullied by the cops. You are a very intelligent person please elaborate.

I will say that if a Dr however gets caught doing it he should be punished because peoples lives are in his hands , but only if on the Job, not on vacation.

1. Don't be naive. Marijuana messes you up. Maybe not like heroin or other prescription pills.  However permanent damage is done whenever it is used.  Don't let pro pot liberals make you think of it otherwise. They are lying because they want you to be like them to justify immoral behavior.

2. If it can be in a pill form people will associate it as a medicine.

3. A harsh penalty could be a huge fine and not necessarily jail. You want government revenue? This is how you get it. And yes, if my kid got caught doing this, he's getting punished severely by me and my wife big time.  No social life for him. 99% of the time his friends encouraged this crap on him. anyone with big dreams should know better not to do this thing.
What did Gd do to adam and eve just by eating a fruit they shouldn't have been eating? Aren't we made in He's image? Why whitewash pot just because you use it or used it or are curious about trying it? No means no.

[Dr. Dan]

And let me make another point.  We are holy jtfers here.  We believe in holy causes. If you use it as festival purposes, stop using it. Even if it becomes legal don't use it. You will be a hypocrite for the holy things this movement stand for.

I'm not saying, "its either pot or jtf". I'm saying think about what I'm saying here next time you choose to light that joint or eat a brownie.

[Dr. Dan]

Let me say one more thing about pot use. It is low class. I don't care how rich how educated how successful how religious how prestigious somebody might be. To me, if I see that person smoke pot, my respect for that person becomes significantly less. 

If there was a rabbi who I admired and he smoked pot, his relevance to me as a holy person would be less no matter how influential and learned he might be.

If he experimented and realized it was a mistake and took my stance, it would be like he made tschuva.

So I say to my jtf brothers and sisters, I say it out of love because you are my brothers and sisters, don't do it don't white wash it. For your own good of your health and soul and holiness that has joined jtf for the fight of our lives for survival and a new holy world and an eradication of evil, don't do drugs don't smoke pot don't encourage its use even if it is legalized.  The values you stand for in jtf will matter less to people. Your message will be less effective.

[cjd]

If it is made in a medicine form such as a pill or syrup and regulated like any prescription drug and it helps people survive from certain sicknesses, it should be considered ok.

The problem is that this "legalization" is a complete fraud and is only there to fully legalize it.

Ymach shmam to those who pursue this...

The problem isn't just when someone uses it and then right after puts other people in danger.  The problem is also when you people use it in the privacy of their own home.  I'll be more specific...professionals such as physicians who might have one of your lives in their hands right before a surgery or making an important decision on what medicines you should take.  I'm sorry, Marijuana kills brain cells..it makes people stupider. 

I am all for harsh penalties and fines when it is found in someone's possession or their use.

I have to agree with Dr. Dan's statement here about the medical marijuana program being put in place in some parts of the country... I have seen many accounts in the news that state that the program is is being overrun by drug users... Over the years  we have seen enough information on this substance to know it needs to be regulated... I think its OK for it's use in certain cases to help people who are sick and suffering however it seems that doctors are all to quick in writing an Rx for almost anyone that complains enough...  Personally I have never messed with the stuff  and take the position of benign neglect in my opinion when I see others using it... The thing is this program seems to be a haven for old drug users to continue their usage under a umbrella of legitimacy.

[Sveta]

Umm ok.. I respect your opinion but I think they're just opinions more than facts and many people are not buying this demonizing anymore, 100 million Americans to be exact. Psh lower opinion, whatever I have a lower opinion on some people. It's not the end of the world it'll be legal some day
*moves to Amsterdam and waves goodbye*

[Dr. Dan]

Umm ok.. I respect your opinion but I think they're just opinions more than facts and many people are not buying this demonizing anymore, 100 million Americans to be exact. Psh lower opinion, whatever I have a lower opinion on some people. It's not the end of the world it'll be legal some day
*moves to Amsterdam and waves goodbye*

People are not demonizing homosexuality anymore either and its legal to get married to the same sex.it still doesn't make it right.

Don't let potheads get the best of you.  Drop the the habit. Its not worth it.

[Sveta]

One last thing, if people are stupid enough to smoke joints then yeah they're going to get nasty diseases considering most joints contain tobacco beside pot but that's why they make vaporizers.
Anyways I'm not swayed. I pay my bills, hold a good job, so does my boyfriend and we're not junkies so nope. His parents know, my mom knows so far no family chaos, no life destroyed. Everything's normal on this side. Kids should not do it but we're well into our 20s and 30s we're old enough to make up our own decisions.
So nope not happening.

[Dr. Dan]

One last thing, if people are stupid enough to smoke joints then yeah they're going to get nasty diseases considering most joints contain tobacco beside pot but that's why they make vaporizers.
Anyways I'm not swayed. I pay my bills, hold a good job, so does my boyfriend and we're not junkies so nope. His parents know, my mom knows so far no family chaos, no life destroyed. Everything's normal on this side. Kids should not do it but we're well into our 20s and 30s we're old enough to make up our own decisions.
So nope not happening.

This is addiction....and just because one's parents are ok with it still doesn't make it right..it makes it even worse for the parents..

[Rubystars]

I think using it for recreation is dirty. I wish both tobacco and marijuana were banned from Israel because Israel isn't supposed to be like other nations. It's supposed to be a holy place. I don't think people should go to jail for using them but I do think there should be some kind of penalty for it. The medical marijuana arguments do have some merit but obviously the programs need to be watched a lot more closely to minimize problems.

[Dr. Dan]

Israeli Heart

I'm going to challenge you in one respect here.  The money that you spend on pot, donate to JTF/VGA to help the hilltop youth.  For every joint that you need to have, use that money instead to help the settlers.


The same challenge are for other JTFers here who use pot (even once in awhile even if legal), or who even smoke cigarettes and want to quit.  Take that money that you would waste on killing yourself slowly, and give it to the settlers and the hilltop youth who need it to survive and help Israel survive.

[cjd]

Umm ok.. I respect your opinion but I think they're just opinions more than facts and many people are not buying this demonizing anymore, 100 million Americans to be exact. Psh lower opinion, whatever I have a lower opinion on some people. It's not the end of the world it'll be legal some day
*moves to Amsterdam and waves goodbye*

Yes, Amsterdam is the right place for things like that... Don't let the door hit you in the tuckus.

[Chai]

Dr Dan makes some good points but I know to many successful and healthy people to be able to agree with him

[Dr. Dan]

Dr Dan makes some good points but I know to many successful and healthy people to be able to agree with him

There are a lot of people who are "healthy" in so many ways than one that once in awhile use pot or smoke cigarettes or whatever.  Probably nothing will happen to them...but is it worth the risk?  Is it worth the risk of driving 100 mph once in awhile on a highway to get home faster?  Nothing could happen, but something deadly could happen.  Is it worth secretly eating something nonkosher?  Nothing will probably happen after eating it, but is it worth the risk for later on in heaven? What's the point of rebelling?  Look what Adam and Eve did and it was just for a piece of fruit...they lost EVERYTHING.

Nobody's perfect..i get it...but when you don't do what the crowd does if it is something bad, it builds character.  And when someone builds good positive character, they have more class. And it's not about how rich you are or the type of car you drive or the clothes you wear. It's not just about the amount of education you have or the job you have. It's not about how pious and religious you are either.  It's about not doing what the crowd does if what the crowd is doing is bad and it puts your popularity at risk and you decide, "Forget it. I'm not going to do what the crowd is doing because it's wrong. And I don't care if it makes me unpopular and a recluse."

I know where I come from.  I was unpopular because I didn't do what the crowd did and have no regrets.  People look up to me because I have class.  Some respect me now unlike before because I stuck to my guns and didn't do the wrong thing even though the crowd did it.  Why do you think I'm drawn to JTF?  For once I can believe in something that might be unpopular, but is right...and through that confidence encourage others to reconsider their old ways. 

So what does the crowd have to do with the use of pot?  Well, most people try pot because somebody else encouraged them to try it.  Very few people go out on their own just to use it.  Pot is associated with bad behavior of the crowd or bad behavior coming from a culture.  Chai, you are good Jew.  Don't do what the crowd does anymore.  Set yourself apart. Be proud of who you are..and that will give you prestige. 

American culture is horrible when it comes down to things like this.  Any American that smokes pot reduces his/her class to people who are more powerful and important.  So it's not just you, Chai..it's for anyone who is reading this thread.

[Chai]

You make a good argument , and what you say about Adam and eve is deep. But the question is, does it really kill braincells? I am in the mental health field, and I really can't find anything that corroborates this. I did find a study  that states it "changes" the brain but that remains  be studied. Smoking any herb does  increase the likelihood of cancer, i am aware of that ,but there are studies that show vapor however drastically reduces tar to negligible amounts. Cannabis is also mentioned in tanach as canibusim as well as cloves, both drugs in Its own right.

There are a lot of people who are "healthy" in so many ways than one that once in awhile use pot or smoke cigarettes or whatever.  Probably nothing will happen to them...but is it worth the risk?  Is it worth the risk of driving 100 mph once in awhile on a highway to get home faster?  Nothing could happen, but something deadly could happen.  Is it worth secretly eating something nonkosher?  Nothing will probably happen after eating it, but is it worth the risk for later on in heaven? What's the point of rebelling?  Look what Adam and Eve did and it was just for a piece of fruit...they lost EVERYTHING.

Nobody's perfect..i get it...but when you don't do what the crowd does if it is something bad, it builds character.  And when someone builds good positive character, they have more class. And it's not about how rich you are or the type of car you drive or the clothes you wear. It's not just about the amount of education you have or the job you have. It's not about how pious and religious you are either.  It's about not doing what the crowd does if what the crowd is doing is bad and it puts your popularity at risk and you decide, "Forget it. I'm not going to do what the crowd is doing because it's wrong. And I don't care if it makes me unpopular and a recluse."

I know where I come from.  I was unpopular because I didn't do what the crowd did and have no regrets.  People look up to me because I have class.  Some respect me now unlike before because I stuck to my guns and didn't do the wrong thing even though the crowd did it.  Why do you think I'm drawn to JTF?  For once I can believe in something that might be unpopular, but is right...and through that confidence encourage others to reconsider their old ways.  

So what does the crowd have to do with the use of pot?  Well, most people try pot because somebody else encouraged them to try it.  Very few people go out on their own just to use it.  Pot is associated with bad behavior of the crowd or bad behavior coming from a culture.  Chai, you are good Jew.  Don't do what the crowd does anymore.  Set yourself apart. Be proud of who you are..and that will give you prestige.  

American culture is horrible when it comes down to things like this.  Any American that smokes pot reduces his/her class to people who are more powerful and important.  So it's not just you, Chai..it's for anyone who is reading this thread.

[muman613]

I also don't agree that whether one smokes or not affects what 'class' he is considered in... I have known some 'High Class' people who have smoked. The whole process of making Pot illegal stemmed from the accusation that Blacks were smoking it and thus it got a 'lower class' stigma.... But that is no longer the case today.

I do think that there are negatives which are involved with becoming addicted to anything and that it may interfere with study and activities.

I don't think we will resolve this question in this forum though. We all have different experiences and that is what this comes down to.

[Dr. Dan]

I am astounded that jtfers who use pot are basically proud of it instead of ashamed of using it recreationally.

And it has nothing to do with black people that makes it low class. it's a huge turn off. Anything of value that you need to say about anything becomes marginalized because of it.  jtfers should never use pot.

[muman613]

I am astounded that jtfers who use pot are basically proud of it instead of ashamed of using it recreationally.

And it has nothing to do with black people that makes it low class. it's a huge turn off. Anything of value that you need to say about anything becomes marginalized because of it.  jtfers should never use pot.

I am simply saying that the negatives have been overblown for so long. This is one reason that many youths are now supporting full legalization {which I have said many times I am against}. I believe that the truth lies somewhere in between the two views.

I do not recommend that anyone get involved with it. It would be best if we could concentrate on those things which need our attention. I feel that when Moshiach comes and we all are working together for the common good of the Kingdom of Hashem there will be no need for any medication.

I am not 'proud' nor 'activist' in my stance on MJ... I just want to be honest and compassionate to those in real pain.

[Dr. Dan]

I am simply saying that the negatives have been overblown for so long. This is one reason that many youths are now supporting full legalization {which I have said many times I am against}. I believe that the truth lies somewhere in between the two views.

I do not recommend that anyone get involved with it. It would be best if we could concentrate on those things which need our attention. I feel that when Moshiach comes and we all are working together for the common good of the Kingdom of Hashem there will be no need for any medication.

I am not 'proud' nor 'activist' in my stance on MJ... I just want to be honest and compassionate to those in real pain.

I'm sure there are medical uses for it. I'm not against it if it is legitimate. I'm against is recreational uses.

[Chai]

I just dont understand how the entire world got along for 60000 years of written history before  Uncle Sam came along and decided for us that this plant is now illegal. It was all around the Jews of ancient Israel as a native plant in the region. The talmud discussed every thing from a-z to the tiniest speck, why not this? I'm sure ancient Jews regarded it as a medicinal herb and didn't think more of it.,
Again this plant had been used for over 5000 years, we dont have the entire human race pot head zombie's LOL. The world got around fine without the DEA and will ultimately be a better place without those evil thugs. Smoking pot once in awhile is nothing to be ashamed of or proud of , its as bad as drinking coffee which mind you is even more addicting and worse for your health. I am weary of it for recreational use but that is a higher dosage.

[The proud Jew]

The torah states that if a jew is living in exile he must follow the rules of that land. So thats why I do not smoke. I approve it for sick people but I wouldn't have a problem if the country legalizes pot because it would take the criminal aspects out of the trade and save peoples lives. Alcohol was made legal after prohibition then the al capones were nowhere to be found.

[Meerkat]

I am astounded that jtfers who use pot are basically proud of it instead of ashamed of using it recreationally.

And it has nothing to do with black people that makes it low class. it's a huge turn off. Anything of value that you need to say about anything becomes marginalized because of it.  jtfers should never use pot.

i don't smoke pot, i just don't think it should be illegal

[Dr. Dan]

I just dont understand how the entire world got along for 60000 years of written history before  Uncle Sam came along and decided for us that this plant is now illegal. It was all around the Jews of ancient Israel as a native plant in the region. The talmud discussed every thing from a-z to the tiniest speck, why not this? I'm sure ancient Jews regarded it as a medicinal herb and didn't think more of it.,
Again this plant had been used for over 5000 years, we dont have the entire human race pot head zombie's LOL. The world got around fine without the DEA and will ultimately be a better place without those evil thugs. Smoking pot once in awhile is nothing to be ashamed of or proud of , its as bad as drinking coffee which mind you is even more addicting and worse for your health. I am weary of it for recreational use but that is a higher dosage.

Polygamy and rape were also common...it doesn't make it right.  Aren't humans supposed to evolve and become better and not do things just because it was done long ago?  I believe smoking pot is one of them.

Again, if there are legitimate reasons to use it to survive and used with care like any medicine should, I don't have a problem with it.  Unfortunately the culture of this country writes off pot use...we are in evil times.

[Chai]

Polygamy and rape were also common...it doesn't make it right.  Aren't humans supposed to evolve and become better and not do things just because it was done long ago?  I believe smoking pot is one of them.

Again, if there are legitimate reasons to use it to survive and used with care like any medicine should, I don't have a problem with it.  Unfortunately the culture of this country writes off pot use...we are in evil times.

We are living in evil times god help us. You know there is a shiduch crisis 25% of Jewish women will never get married as there are more women out there ,plus men are more prone to drug use ,crime and have more preside for high paying jobs. Maybe we should I feel bad for these women