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edu:
One of the reasons given by opponents of Rebuilding the Temple is that our generation like King David's generation is too involved in wars and people who wage wars even for the sake of a mitzva can't build the Temple, which is devoted to peace.
This idea is false. Moshe Rabbeinu was involved in wars and built the Mishkan in the desert.
Yehoshua{Joshua} was involved in many wars, but yet he built the Mishkan in Shilo.
The Maccabees were involved in wars but they rebuilt part of the Temple.
The wicked Herod killed many people, but he still also rebuilt the Temple.
According to Rambam's view Mashiach{Messiah} will wage wars and will also build a Temple.
{Even according to Rambam we can still build the Temple before Mashiach, but I won't get into the subject at this point in time}.
Given all these precedents we must conclude that the fact that David could not build the Temple was not connected to the many wars of Mitzva that he waged. {Except, if you hold by one rabbinic viewpoint that David was too righteous due to all the wars of Mitzva he waged, to build the Temple. A view which I find difficult to accept}.
If so we must look for other explanations for Divrei Hayamim/I Chronicles 22:8 and 28:3 which will explain why G-d did not let David build the Temple.
I hope, G-d willing, to add more on this topic at a later time.

muman613:
I believe I remember the answer to this question...

In a reply I gave to a question about David HaMelech I answered this question.

If David HaMelech had built the Temple then it would have stood forever. But Hashem knew that the Jewish people would fall and be exiled and thus he did not allow King David to build the Beit HaMikdash...

Is this the explanation you are thinking of?

Here is the original post I made about it : http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,25101.msg509979.html#msg509979


--- Quote ---R. Nechemya states: "'When You render to every man according to his work' (Tehillim 62:13) — what is 'according to his work'?  There is a person who considers committing a sin, but fails to do so; the Holy One, blessed be He, does not ascribe it to him unless he [actually] does it.  If, however, he intended to perform a mitzva, but because of circumstances beyond his control he fails to perform it, the Holy One, blessed be He, ascribes it to him as if he had done it.

From where do you learn this? You learn from David, who painfully wished to build the Temple…  Immediately, the Holy One, blessed be He, appeared to him through Natan, as it is stated: "And it came to pass that night that the word of the Lord came to Natan, saying… You shall build Me a house" (Shmuel II 7:4-5), and another verse states: "You shall not build Me a house wherein to dwell" (I Divrei Ha-yamim 17:4).  How can these two verses be reconciled? Rather, even though your son Shlomo will build it, it will be called by your name."

Indeed, David was worthy to build it, but the prophet Natan came and said to him: "You shall not build a house to My name, because You have shed much blood upon the earth before Me" (ibid. 22:7).  When David heard this, he was frightened and said: "Surely, I have been disqualified from building the Temple!"  R. Yehuda bar Ila'i said: The Holy One, blessed be He, said to him: "Fear not, David, by your life, all the blood that you shed is before Me like that of a gazelle or a deer, about which it is stated: 'The unclean and the clean may eat of it as they do of the gazelle and the deer.  Only you shall not eat the blood; you shall pour it upon the earth like water' (Devarim 12:15-16)."[12]

He said to Him: "If so, why can't I build it?" The Holy One, blessed be He, said to Him: "If you build it, it will stand forever and never be destroyed." He said before Him: "Surely that is good!" The Holy One, blessed be He, said: "It is revealed and known to Me, that in the future Israel will sin, and I will diffuse My anger by destroying [the Temple], and Israel will be spared."  This is what is written: "He has bent His bow like an enemy… He has poured out His fury like fire" (Eikha 2:4).  The Holy One, blessed be He, said to him: "Even though you will not build it, since you wanted to build it, I will ascribe it to your name."  As it is stated: "A psalm and song at the dedication of the house; of David" (Tehillim 30:1).  It does not say "of Shlomo," but rather "of David." Why?  This is because he desired to build it.  Thus we learn that whoever intends to perform a mitzva, even if, on account of circumstances beyond his control, he fails to do it, the Holy One, blessed be He, regards him as if he had performed it."[13]
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See : http://vbm-torah.org/archive/mikdash3/70mikdash.htm

stalepie:
Just rebuild the temple now. Why do you need to wait for the Messiah to prove himself?

http://www.beingjewish.com/unchanged/rebuild.html

"The most obvious answer would seem to be that we can't for political and safety reasons. The Muslims have control over the Temple Mount, and for us to destroy the Muslims' holy site to build our own would be a terrible and most dangerous idea. There would be no Jew safe in the entire world, or at least wherever there are Muslims."

So you guys fear the Muslims that much? Why? I find them fairly stupid. I would fear Christians more. If the Holocaust happened already, then you ought to fear Christians the most, I would think, since they killed more Jews with greater efficiency (speed) than Muslims ever have.

But you guys are great friends with Christians.

Well, let me introduce you an idea: it's Christians holding you back. Maybe it's like Bill Maher says: they only want you there (in Israel) so that you can eventually -- most of you -- be destroyed (with a remnant saved by Jesus). That's generally what Christians believe.

So you need to watch out for that. Christians practice their own sort of "taqiyya."

Actually all gentiles do. All humans do. It's kind of just endemic to our species.

But I think if you want you can just push out all gentiles from Israel, rapidly, including Noahides perhaps, including those living their peaceably, until later when it's a good time to allow them back in, when you have more control. Because right now it sounds to me you guys don't have much control. You don't have your own country. It says it's Israel, you claim it as yours, but in effect it isn't. You can't do what you want there. You can't build your temple.

You're waiting for some guy called the "Messiah" to do it for you, I guess. You're waiting for a magician, I think, some kind of wizard to just magically fix everything for you, as though most Jews can't afford plane tickets and move to Israel any time they want, or get there through other surreptitious ways. 

You know, I hate to turn this into a long-winded rant nobody is going to read ("tl;dr"), but maybe people like Alex Jones and Glenn Beck aren't entirely WRONG in some of their fears about this country (America, if that's where most JTFers live) turning into a police state. I said, before, "if the Holocaust happened yet," well what I meant was that if the Holocaust deniers are right that it didn't happen in the past, perhaps it will happen in the future.

I don't want it to, but I'm just saying there's like 6 million Jews who live outside of Israel, and I'm thinking (or at least it's a recurring thought with me) that perhaps the whole FEMA camp thing, that Glenn Beck addressed (and dismissed), is actually true. And that it will mainly be Jews and their supporters who are thrown in. Why not? And also the no-fly lists, thanks to the PATRIOT ACT, you could be put on no-fly lists so that you cannot leave the country easily, except, as I said, surreptitiously.

(Such as through Mexico, by boat and smuggling, Canada, etc).

I'm not calling for anyone to be exterminated or killed. Just saying that we are moving into a world where corporations and politicians do have great power and sometimes they don't always like Jews. I mean, I know you guys find that Naomi Wolf type stuff about America hard to believe. It's all a bunch of liberal nonsense to you.

I don't know. I don't know the future. Just felt like rambling a bit. I'm probably like Zishe at the end of Werner Herzog's "Invincible," trying to warn others of their future, not that I've really had any great visions, and not that I'm Jewish (as far as I know).

muman613:
Stalepie you will get nowhere fast around here with posts like this.

I don't know why you think that our enemy is not the muslims who have stated clearly that they want to wipe Israel and Jews out of existence. You must be aware that Hitlers Mein Kamf and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are both best selling books in the muslim/arab world? Do you not take their daily threats and provocations seriously?

I do not understand why people like you come around here trying to make trouble. The Christians have provided the Jews in America a very safe place for the last century. My family is grateful to this country and I am the third generation and we have prospered here. I am certainly aware of the ill treatment at the hands of the sons of Essau in Europe and Ukraine. My family emigrated from Ukraine after many pogroms against the Jews there.

Also you seem to totally miss the reason the edu posted this thread. He is not saying that we should wait for Moshiach before building the temple. Most of the religious JTF members and most religions Zionists are supportive of starting the rebuilding process. I don't know where you came with your misunderstanding of what was written...

See this thread for further discussion of Jewish belief in redemption process : http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,56755.0.html

stalepie:
The Muslims are certainly your enemies. However most of humanity is as well. Be caerful about categories and just guarding against certain kinds of people.

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