Why is the Red Cross Antisemitic? I did not realize how much Jew-hate there is

[muman613]

This is very upsetting. The Red Cross, an organization which is well known around the world for helping people in need and transporting them to receive aid, is actually an antisemitic organization. I say this because recently the Red Cross has forced the Magen David Adom {Israels 'red-cross' ambulance corp} to stop using the Star of David as their symbol and instead use a generic diamond shape.

But the Red-Cross, which uses a religious symbol of Christianity {the cross} is allowed to use the cross symbol, allows the Muslims to call their ambulances the Red-Crescent since Islams symbol is the crescent moon... So why should not the Jewish red-cross be allowed to use the Red Star of David?

This boils down to plain and simple Jew-hate.... I do not see any other reason to support this kind of abuse. I suggest that anyone who supports any organization which supports this evil red-cross organization should stop giving even a penny to them.

They can have their 'red-crosses' and 'red-crescents' but Jews cannot even have their 'red-magen davids'? What is up with that?


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/94436#.TlRHpyy6SL8

RedCross Accepts New Diamond Symbol; Jewish Star Can Fit Inside
The new symbol's recognition means that Israel's Magen David Adom is now only a step away from acceptance in the International Red Cross - but the Shield of David will have to be "shielded" inside.

The new symbol is a red diamond, which now joins the red cross and red crescent as officially recognized emblems. The benefit for Israel is that it has been allowed to place its traditional Shield of David - a six-pointed star - inside the diamond, under certain conditions. Israeli ambulances and vehicles at home may use the diamond/Shield of David design, as well as abroad - if the host country agrees. Israeli rescue services often operate outside Israel in emergency situations.

The International Red Cross refused to allow the Star of David to stand on its own, despite its agreement to allow Moslem countries to use a Red Crescent.

The new decision was a compromise between a long-standing Israeli demand to use its Red Star of David (the literal translation of Magen David Adom), and the objections of the Arab countries.

The new diamond emblem can also be used by any national Red Cross society when it fears that the red cross or crescent identifying its ambulances and workers would not be respected by combatants.

The diamond compromise was enabled following an agreement signed ten days ago between Israel's Magen David Adom and the Palestinian Authority's Red Crescent.

The deal on "operational arrangements" was signed at a ceremony in Geneva by Noam Yifrach, chairman of the Magen David Adom, and Younis Al-Khatib, president of the Palestinian Red Crescent (PRC). The agreement basically grants the PRC official authorities in the Arab areas of Judea and Samaria. The two groups have long cooperated on the ground, but the new accord signifies their formal mutual recognition.

The new diamond emblem was voted on last night by a majority vote of the 192 signatories of the Geneva Conventions. The vote was 98 in favor, 27 against and 10 abstentions, with many states - mainly small ones - not present.

"Unfortunately, it has not been possible to adopt the protocol by consensus, but it has been adopted by a clear majority," said Didier Pfirter, a Swiss diplomat who has been coordinating global efforts to muster support for the new emblem. The lack of unanimity was caused by Syria's insistence on authorized use of its vehicles in the Golan, just as the PRC received in Judea and Samaria. Israel, however, has officially annexed the Golan Heights, and refuses to allow Syrian entry.

"The most important thing is the result," said Noam Yifrach, president of Magen David Adom. "Tomorrow nobody will remember the numbers, the votes. Everybody will have the third protocol [the diamond] and more protection."

The International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies must still convene this spring to change the organization's statutes to incorporate the new emblem, after which Israeli membership will be considered and, most likely, approved. Israel has been excluded from the organization since 1949.


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/147140#.TlRHiCy6SL8

Compromise Reached on Ambulance Star of David

Red Star of David to first be removed from ambulances in other parts of Israel, and only then in Judea and Samaria.
Elad Benari

A day after Arutz Sheva reported that the Magen David Adom first aid organization is planning to remove its trademark red Star of David symbol from ambulances used in Israeli towns east of the 1949 armistice line, it appears as though a compromise has been reached.

In a telephone conversation on Tuesday evening, Yesha Council Chairman Danny Dayan and Magen David Adom President Professor Yehuda Skornik agreed that the removal of the Red Star of David in Judea and Samaria ambulances will be temporarily stopped.

According to the agreement, the Stars of David will first be taken off ambulances in other parts of the country and only then in Judea and Samaria.

The move to take down the symbols is apparently part of an agreement between Magen David Adom and the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), which has previously taken exception to use of the Star.

Moves to recognize the armistice line as having special meaning are controversial in Israel. They are often seen as sidingwith the Palestinian Authority, which insists on treating the line -- also referred to as the pre-1967 line -- as a border even though it has no legal significance.

During his conversation with Prof. Skornik on Tuesday, Dayan expressed his disapproval of the agreement signed with the ICRC, but stressed that he is aware that this was not done during the tenure of the current chairman and chief executive of Magen David Adom.

The move was met with criticism by Judea and Samaria leaders, who made an appeal to MDA which was met with a statement saying, in part, that the move to change the symbols had been made “in coordination with the Foreign Ministry” - a clear indicator, leaders said, that the move was in fact political.

[muman613]

Does anyone even realize that the antisemites think that Jews run the Diamond trade? And they even call them 'Blood Diamonds'?

[cjd]

Does anyone even realize that the antisemites think that Jews run the Diamond trade? And they even call them 'Blood Diamonds'?

I don't know anything about blood diamonds being a Jewish thing however a trip down to the diamond district here in New York brought you to a place where a great deal of Jewish merchants did business... I don't know if it's still the same nowadays  however at one time it was the case. As far as the Red Cross goes I don't see why they should change their logo after all the years however they should allow Jewish Chapters display a red Magen David.

[muman613]

I don't know anything about blood diamonds being a Jewish thing however a trip down to the diamond district here in New York brought you to a place where a great deal of Jewish merchants did business... I don't know if it's still the same nowadays  however at one time it was the case. As far as the Red Cross goes I don't see why they should change their logo after all the years however they should allow Jewish Chapters display a red Magen David.

If you read what was posted you will realize that we were allowed to use the red magen david but they have changed their policy and requiring the Israeli red-cross to use the red diamond {with a small star of david possibly}.... To me this seems blatantly anti-Jewish.

[cjd]

If you read what was posted you will realize that we were allowed to use the red magen david but they have changed their policy and requiring the Israeli red-cross to use the red diamond {with a small star of david possibly}.... To me this seems blatantly anti-Jewish.

No question about it it's not correct... I don't go with that Diamond logo  at all...Possibly a red Star of David with underlying Red Cross somewhere in the logo would suffice to give recognition to all agencies involved... 

[mord]

The U.S. Red Cross for yrs. has been trying to change the INTL Red Cross' s  i antisemitism they have been that way since before WW2

[jbeige]

The Red Cross symbol that is used is not a religious symbol at all, it has nothing to do with the christian religion but because the muslims do not like any kind of cross and have mistaken it as you have as a religious symbol it can not be used in mussie land or in Israel.
I will keep supporting the Red Cross they do a lot of good work here and around the world.

[briann]

When has the Red Cross ever used a Christian Cross as a symbol??



There is NO Christian, NONE that considers the PLUS sign to be a religious symbol.

The Red Cross has nothing to do with religion... however the Muslims in their wisdom, for some strange reason interpreted it as a christian cross... I havent the foggiest idea why.  They are morons.

[muman613]

It is called the RED CROSS!!! I wonder why they think it is a cross?

Maybe they should call themselves the RED PLUS.... That would make some people happy...

Maybe these flags have pluses also:

[muman613]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_cross

Unrecognized emblems
[edit] The Red Star of David (Magen David Adom)



For over 50 years, Israel requested the addition of a red Star of David, arguing that since Christian and Muslim emblems were recognized, the corresponding Jewish emblem should be as well. This emblem has been used since 1935 by Magen David Adom (MDA), or Red Star of David, the national first-aid society of Israel, but it is still not recognized by the Geneva Conventions as a protected symbol.[11]

The Red Cross and Red Crescent movement repeatedly rejected Israel's request over the years, stating that the Red Cross emblem was not meant to represent Christianity but was a color reversal of the Swiss flag, and also that if Jews (or another group) were to be given another emblem, there would be no end to the number of religious or other groups claiming an emblem for themselves, although the movement recognised the Muslim Red Crescent. They reasoned that a proliferation of red symbols would detract from the original intention of the Red Cross emblem, which was to be a single emblem to mark vehicles and buildings protected on humanitarian grounds.

Certain Arab nations, such as Syria, also protested the entry of MDA into the Red Cross movement, making consensus impossible for a time. However, from 2000 to 2006 the American Red Cross withheld its dues (a total of $42 million) to the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (IFRC) because of IFRC's refusal to admit MDA;[12] this ultimately led to the creation of the Red Crystal emblem and the admission of MDA on June 22, 2006.

The Red Star of David is not recognized as a protected symbol outside Israel; instead the MDA uses the Red Crystal emblem during international operations in order to ensure protection. Depending on the circumstances, it may place the Red Star of David inside the Red Crystal, or use the Red Crystal alone.

[briann]

It is called the RED CROSS!!! I wonder why they think it is a cross?

Maybe they should call themselves the RED PLUS.... That would make some people happy...

Muman, this isnt about antisemitism, this is about Muslim stupidity and not offending Muslims and ignoring others.

A cross is a generic term... there are TONS of types of crosses... many originated long before Christianity... and the equal length red cross has been used to signify health/hospital forever.  If you show a red equal length cross to a Christian, none will think its a religious symbol.

What if a 5 pointed red star was a symbol for health?? so they called themselves 'red star', and uneducated muslims said, we want it to be changed to a crescent moon???

And the 'red star', scared of offending muslims, changed it accordingly.

That wouldn't suddenly mean red stars signify the star of David, it would mean Muslims are stupid.






 

[muman613]

Do muslims control the Red Cross? I think the Red Cross originated in Switzerland...

[briann]

Do muslims control the Red Cross? I think the Red Cross originated in Switzerland...

LOL, No other religious groups complained about the symbol, because everyone else, except the Muslims, knew there was no religious connotation to the medic symbol.  This is all P.C. and being fearful of Muslims.

Its sad but EVERY group is scared of offending muslims.  They could care less about the rest of the world and their idiologies, but when something offends muslims, they bend over backwards to support them... even if their was nothing offensive to begin with.

They should have NEVER put the crescent moon there in the first place.  This was completely rediculous.  THere was no need to inject religion into something like this.

I dug this up on the web.

http://www.ehow.com/facts_6761604_meaning-red-cross-symbol_.html

What Is the Meaning of the Red Cross Symbol?
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In battlefields and natural disasters, the Red Cross symbol gives those in need hope for rescue or medical attention. However, there is more to the symbol.

   1.
      Identification
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            The red cross symbol is a four-armed cross that resembles two perfect rectangles placed to look like a cross. There is no lettering, and the symbol usually appears on a white background.
      Significance
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            The symbol is the international sign for medic. It is associated in the U.S. with the American Red Cross, a nonprofit aid agency that helps those in need, regardless of their ability to pay.
      History
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            The cross was one of many symbols used to signify medic until the introduction of firearms to battle and the increase in casualties. Henri Durant designed the red cross as we know it today after witnessing tens of thousands of soldiers left dying on the battlefield with no one to help them.
      Legislation
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            In the 1860s, the Geneva Convention was created, and the red cross was adopted as the universal sign for medic.
      Fun Fact
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            Johnson and Johnson, the manufacturer of myriad medical supplies, adopted the symbol six years after the Geneva Convention. The Red Cross organization wasn't charter until 1900.


Read more: What Is the Meaning of the Red Cross Symbol? | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/facts_6761604_meaning-red-cross-symbol_.html#ixzz1VyxA2t5Q

[briann]

There is a bigger picture we are missing here.

Israel signed-off on the idea of a diamond as a 'neutral symbol'.  Now Christians/Budhhists/Hindus read about this, it will appear to them as though Jews were offended by a non-religious red cross symbol and demand it to be changed.  They will say, hey, those darn jews control the world.

In reality, the only thing that was offensive was, adding the crescent moon symbol, NOT the medic cross.  This is akin to adding a swaztika to their symbol.   OF COURSE Israelis are going to be offended by this and of course they are going to want ANYTHING other than a Crescent moon.  Heck, even a picture of Darth Vader would be an improvement.

But now, people will see that weird looking red diamond, and ignorantly think.... Thats the Jews trying to change our symbols.

[muman613]

There is a bigger picture we are missing here.

Israel signed-off on the idea of a diamond as a 'neutral symbol'.  Now Christians/Budhhists/Hindus read about this, it will appear to them as though Jews were offended by a non-religious red cross symbol and demand it to be changed.  They will say, hey, those darn jews control the world.

In reality, the only thing that was offensive was, adding the crescent moon symbol, NOT the medic cross.  This is akin to adding a swaztika to their symbol.   OF COURSE Israelis are going to be offended by this and of course they are going to want ANYTHING other than a Crescent moon.  Heck, even a picture of Darth Vader would be an improvement.

But now, people will see that weird looking red diamond, and ignorantly think.... Thats the Jews trying to change our symbols.

If the purpose of the symbol was to have universal acceptance then it should be a single symbol, not two or three symbols...

[briann]

If the purpose of the symbol was to have universal acceptance then it should be a single symbol, not two or three symbols...

I was reading up on this... and that was the intention... however.... that will never happen... for obvious reasons.

Again... none of this would have ever happened if the Red cross never allowed the hideously offensive crescent as a symbol in the first place.

[JTFenthusiast2]

When has the Red Cross ever used a Christian Cross as a symbol??



There is NO Christian, NONE that considers the PLUS sign to be a religious symbol.

The Red Cross has nothing to do with religion... however the Muslims in their wisdom, for some strange reason interpreted it as a christian cross... I havent the foggiest idea why.  They are morons.

Briann,

I have a great deal of respect for you, but it is called the Red "Cross."  The "Cross" is a Christian symbol.  I dont think the agency should have to change their symbol, but this diamond thing is not cool.  That said, Im going to look up the origin of the meaning of the "red cross" and will report back.

[JTFenthusiast2]

I take back the above comment, It's from the Swiss flag, presumable for the safety and neutrality any injured soldier would need, so I stand corrected

[muman613]

I take back the above comment, It's from the Swiss flag, presumable for the safety and neutrality any injured soldier would need, so I stand corrected

But the real question is why is the Cross on the Swiss flag?

http://history-switzerland.geschichte-schweiz.ch/history-flag-switzerland.html

[briann]

But the real question is why is the Cross on the Swiss flag?

http://history-switzerland.geschichte-schweiz.ch/history-flag-switzerland.html

LOL!

Once more, there are NO gentiles (and no jews for that matter) that equate the medic cross with the christian cross.   I go to a Jewish Hospital, and on the corner of the hospital is a big red cross.  Medics in Japan have the red cross on their back.  Nearly every country uses it; its a universal symbol.

Yes, its fascinating that it came from an inverse of the swiss flagg, used to signify wounded men, but it never once had any religious connotation, ever.   Its a secular symbol and no one except a bunch of wacko muslims saw it as anything else.

[muman613]

LOL!

Once more, there are NO gentiles (and no jews for that matter) that equate the medic cross with the christian cross.   I go to a Jewish Hospital, and on the corner of the hospital is a big red cross.  Medics in Japan have the red cross on their back.  Nearly every country uses it; its a universal symbol.

Yes, its fascinating that it came from an inverse of the swiss flagg, used to signify wounded men, but it never once had any religious connotation, ever.   Its a secular symbol and no one except a bunch of wacko muslims saw it as anything else.

briann,

I am not trying to argue that they should change the symbol.... I also am not arguing to prove that the red cross symbol has any religious connotation. But let us look at the reason that Switzerland has the cross on its flag... And as I posted in a previous post several European flags have the Cross symbol on them. I have no problem with that, but again we must be honest about the reason this is the case...

From that site I posted the link to:


http://history-switzerland.geschichte-schweiz.ch/history-flag-switzerland.html

Origin of the Swiss flag

Where does the cross on the Swiss flag come from?

The Old Swiss Confederacy (1291 - 1515) was so loose a federation of autonomous regions, that Switzerland had no common field sign nor uniforms, not even a common high commander during most of its history. When swiss troops went to war (and they did so quite often back in late middle ages), they carried the flags of their region with them.

Nevertheless, the characteristic white cross and the red background of Switzerland's flag have their origin in late middle ages. Until 1648, Switzerland was still part of the German Empire. The member states of the Old Swiss Confederacy did not try to build a nation, they just wanted to get rid of the counts of Habsburg that had tried to strengthen their influence. In the 13th century, the German emperor carried with him a flag with the cross as a holy sign, understanding himself as a protector of christianity. Besides, he also carried a blood-red flag as a sign of his power over life and death. Occasionally, he granted the right to carry such flags as a special honor to single cities or regions. (The Dukes of Savoy and the City of Vienna bear a white cross on red ground on their coat of arms. The Scandinavian countries and Great Britain as well have a cross on their flags.) Often the right to bear a cross on one's coat of arms and on a flag was granted together with other privileges, like direct immediacy [direct subordination under the emperor's jurisdiction without jurisdiction of counts].

The region of Schwyz in central Switzerland, one of the three founding members of the Old Swiss Confederacy, and the one, whose name was later in history used to denote the confederacy as a whole, was granted immediacy in 1240 and carried a red flag from the middle of the 13th century on (yet still without the white cross). In 1289 they supported King Rudolf of Habsburg in a war against Burgundy and received as a recognition the right to represent the crucifixion of Christ and the tools used to torture him in the upper right field on their flag. Originally they painted this symbol on parchment and fastened it on the banner. Only later the cross symbol was painted directly on the banner.

The larger the old confederacy became, the more they had a problem with inconsistently clothed troops that were hardly able to recognize their allies on the battlefield. In descriptions of the battle of Laupen (1339), white stripes forming crosses are mentioned for the first time as a joint recognition sign of confederate troops. The white stripes were fastened on the soldier's breast, back, shoulders, arms, leg, hats or weapons. In the middle of the 15th century, the white cross was integrated into the flags of the member states of the confederacy. Originally, the cross reached to the edge of the banner also in Switzerland, like in the scandinavian flags.

There is more at the wikipedia site concerning some difference of opinion concerning the origin of the cross on the flag of Switzerland...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Switzerland