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Dear Christianity,
White Israelite:
I've never seen any of our Christian members prophesize or try to convert people, I think most of our members Jewish and Gentile are here for common purposes and that is to prevent the spread of Islam.
Hank64:
--- Quote from: White Israelite on August 26, 2011, 04:52:38 PM ---I've never seen any of our Christian members prophesize or try to convert people, I think most of our members Jewish and Gentile are here for common purposes and that is to prevent the spread of Islam.
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Agree. Every person should live within his religion. Who are we to force somebody to convert to our religion. The only people who would like to see us converting to their religion are Muslims. Last year, over 20000 Americans embraced this massive dangerous cult of Satan. In less than 50 years,the whole world can be Muslim if we wouldn't work to stop this mess. May Hashem bless every single human being, except for those who disrespect Hashem (muslims, nazis, communists).
Amen!
jbeige:
--- Quote from: Sephirath Ben Baruch on August 26, 2011, 01:25:08 PM ---(Loved this artical, had to share)
http://www.facebook.com/notes/eliezer-ben-melech/dear-christianity-a-letter-from-me/211017768954219
Dear Christianity....... A letter from me
by Eliezer Ben Melech on Thursday, August 25, 2011 at 3:48pm
Dear Christendom,
Please stop trying to convert us into your religion. It is completely unnecessary. We have been worshiping G-d for thousands of years, the One and Only G-d. This is the same one that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob worshiped so very long ago. Worshiping a man is idolatry. Whether you see it as that or not makes no difference to me. G-d has a name and it isn’t Jesus. It appears 6,823 times in the bible. Christians believe that Jesus and G-d are one in the same. That means according to your own holy book, we don’t need to convert. If it is as you say and Jesus and G-d are the same (I personally disagree) then we already “believe in HIM” therefore we are “saved”. My Jewish brothers and sisters all worship the One G-d that created the world. We depend on HIM for nourishment, redemption, salvation, and deliverance. It’s quite amusing that you think we are the ones that need to be “saved”. We are the same people that Jesus was talking about when he himself said “salvation is of the Jews”. This is the same Jesus that celebrated Chanukah, Passover, Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, and all the other holidays that you will find in the Bible. The church did a wonderful job at distancing you from the guy you rely upon for your salvation seeing as Jesus was a Jew. You can keep your modified pagan holidays and call them Christian if you want because after all, it is a free country and you may believe whatever you want. I don’t want to drink blood and eat human flesh with you (even if it is symbolic) because G-d says that is an abomination to HIM. Last but not least….. Don’t be jealous because I am more like Jesus than you are and that is just by default. As a Jew, I strive daily to walk in HIS path, fulfill HIS commandments, and rely solely on HIM. So, don’t worry about us… We’ll be fine….
With all due respect,
Eliezer ben Melech
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Please give us names and addresses of who is trying to convert you?
jbeige:
--- Quote from: muman613 on August 26, 2011, 04:14:39 PM ---I dont see anything which is offensive in this post. It is 100% true... It is not a secret that Jews do not believe in the Christian 'messiah'... And maybe a gentile reader can understand that Jews are G-ds chosen people and do not deserve the disrespect we have been shown.
For those who find it offensive I am sorry... But the Jewish people found it offensive for 1000s of years to be subjected to the forced conversions, pogroms, crusades, and inquisitions. Rabbi Kahane was not shy to talk about these events nor should any Jew worth his world to come..
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Who tried to convert you RECENTLY?, I like you reformers who say a post like this is not offensive and go back a thousand years, come on give us a break and come to 2011.
muman613:
--- Quote from: jbeige on August 26, 2011, 06:00:36 PM ---Who tried to convert you RECENTLY?, I like you reformers who say a post like this is not offensive and go back a thousand years, come on give us a break and come to 2011.
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I never said anyone tried to convert me... Where do you come up with that? But you are dead wrong that the persecution of Jews occured THOUSANDS of years ago... You do realize that Jews are persecuted by Christian antisemitism to this day.
You realize that in Ukraine in the 1700s-1800s Jews were regularly exposed to pogroms and massacres? My family emigrated to America in 1890s and they were persecuted {and this is only 100 years ago}. You also realize that the Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492 which was only 500 year ago. And the Holocaust was only 70 years ago.
So do not try to minimize the damage which non-Jews inflicted on Jews. Christian antisemitism is even alive today. Just read some of the talkbacks where antisemitism is exhibited and you will see the blood libels and the accusations of being Spawn of Satan. The New Testament is still full of antisemitic content...
When I was 10 years old I was told by a neighborhood friend that because I am Jewish I am not going to Heaven and he even said that we were spawns of the devil... I will never forget that...
And if you think that Christians have given up on converting Jews Think again. Have you ever heard of 'Jews for Jsus'? It is a missionary organization, a wing of the Evangelical Christian churches, which actively is pursuing Jews {especially in Israel} to convert them from Judaism to Christianity.
Are you aware of any of this or are you just ignorant {claiming antisemitism stopped 1000s of years ago}...
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/
PS: It was not until 1965 that the Catholic church stopped blaming the Jewish people for killing their messiah..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Vatican_Council
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Eleven schemata remained unfinished at the end of the third period, and commissions worked to give them their final form. Schema 13, on the Church in the modern world, was revised by a commission that worked with the assistance of laymen.
Pope Paul VI opened the last period of the Council on 14 September 1965 with the establishment of a Synod of Bishops. This more permanent structure was intended to preserve close cooperation of the bishops with the Pope after the council.
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One of the more controversial documents was Nostra Aetate, which stated that the Jews of the time of Christ, taken indiscriminately, and all Jews today are no more responsible for the death of Christ than Christians.
True, the Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ; still, what happened in His passion cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of today. Although the Church is the new people of G-d, the Jews should not be presented as rejected or accursed by G-d, as if this followed from the Holy Scriptures. All should see to it, then, that in catechetical work or in the preaching of the word of G-d they do not teach anything that does not conform to the truth of the Gospel and the spirit of Christ. Furthermore, in her rejection of every persecution against any man, the Church, mindful of the patrimony she shares with the Jews and moved not by political reasons but by the Gospel's spiritual love, decries hatred, persecutions, displays of anti-Semitism, directed against Jews at any time and by anyone.[21]
See also: Christian-Jewish reconciliation and Relations between Catholicism and Judaism
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism
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