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Re: Steve Jobs hits the bucket
« Reply #50 on: October 07, 2011, 12:48:06 PM »
In what way is apple anti israel?  What have they done?

In what way was steve jobs anti israel?  What has he done?

If you cannot answer these questions, then spewing insults is a meaningless and pointless act of hatred.
I'm not the one who said that Jobs is anti-Israel. What I said is that Apple is pro-homosexual, and that there is a lot of speculation and some evidence (it could be faked and it could be real) that he had AIDS.

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« Reply #51 on: October 07, 2011, 01:28:02 PM »
I'm not the one who said that Jobs is anti-Israel. What I said is that Apple is pro-homosexual, and that there is a lot of speculation and some evidence (it could be faked and it could be real) that he had AIDS.

There is absolutely no evidence that he had AIDS
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Re: Steve Jobs hits the bucket
« Reply #52 on: October 07, 2011, 02:26:26 PM »
Did you look at my links?

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« Reply #53 on: October 07, 2011, 02:28:57 PM »
Listen, the only thing that I can say that is most likely to be true until proven wrong is that being such a wealthy successful person, Jobs didn't choose righteous causes, like supporting Israel and other moral Gd worthy things to change the way people thought. 

Much like you take a person who is born into wealth and never lifts a finger when he has the ability to change history for the good.

Yes, Jobs was successful in doing wonderful things with technology...but that's it.  His social impact was mostly likely more negative than positive.  Most successful people will fall under this category today.
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Re: Steve Jobs hits the bucket
« Reply #54 on: October 07, 2011, 02:48:07 PM »
Listen, the only thing that I can say that is most likely to be true until proven wrong is that being such a wealthy successful person, Jobs didn't choose righteous causes, like supporting Israel and other moral Gd worthy things to change the way people thought. 

Much like you take a person who is born into wealth and never lifts a finger when he has the ability to change history for the good.

Yes, Jobs was successful in doing wonderful things with technology...but that's it.  His social impact was mostly likely more negative than positive.  Most successful people will fall under this category today.
Then why the acting like I insulted a family member?

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« Reply #55 on: October 07, 2011, 03:25:50 PM »
He never attempted or allowed to meet with his biological father, although he met his biological mother sometimes. The only problem I find that during his youth due to money problems, he was getting weekly free meals at the local HK temple.
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« Reply #56 on: October 07, 2011, 05:58:05 PM »
Did you look at my links?
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Yes I did look into it.  Wikileaks even does not claim it is genuine.

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs_purported_HIV_medical_status_results,_2008
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« Reply #57 on: October 07, 2011, 08:55:16 PM »
Mr. Assange is in enough legal trouble already and doesn't want more in the form of a megabillions lawsuit from Apple. Of course they are going to put up a disclaimer if it's of uncertain veracity. That's why I say he may have had HIV and that the evidence is in dispute.

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« Reply #58 on: October 09, 2011, 01:27:09 AM »
Oh now, why bother looking to some people to provide you with facts here? Just call everyone who does not adhere 100% to your ideology a Nazi and be done with it.

Um.  What?

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« Reply #59 on: October 09, 2011, 01:28:36 AM »
I'm not the one who said that Jobs is anti-Israel. What I said is that Apple is pro-homosexual, and that there is a lot of speculation and some evidence (it could be faked and it could be real) that he had AIDS.

My comment was not directed at you but at the thread in general and at anyone making those claims!

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« Reply #60 on: October 09, 2011, 02:08:53 AM »
I noticed most big companies and even smaller companies are pro-homosexual. It's considered to be a civil rights issue now.

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« Reply #61 on: October 09, 2011, 06:51:57 AM »
Then why the acting like I insulted a family member?

Because what said was completely different than saying, "i bet that queer Nazi had AIDS like yasser Arafat.". Which comment will the public consider normal? Yours or mine?
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« Reply #62 on: October 09, 2011, 07:13:16 AM »
DR Dan is correct! :fist:

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« Reply #63 on: October 09, 2011, 12:43:43 PM »
Because what said was completely different than saying, "i bet that queer Nazi had AIDS like yasser Arafat.". Which comment will the public consider normal? Yours or mine?
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Re: Steve Jobs hits the bucket
« Reply #64 on: October 09, 2011, 03:53:19 PM »
Here's what  Debbie Schlussel posted about Jobs:

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/43023/steve-jobs-rip-enough-of-the-jobs-was-muslim-bs/#more-43023

Although I currently own only one Apple product (an iPod–a gift from a friend), I will always have an affinity for the genius that was Steve Jobs, who died today.  My very first computer ever was an Apple Macintosh (or Macintosh Plus–I forget which).  That was just as I was going off to college in the fall of 1986, and I was the only one I knew with my own computer.  But he revolutionized that and revolutionized it even more, as you know.  In many ways, he was not only the father, but the godfather of Silicon Valley.  Even if you never owned an Apple product, if you played Atari (as I did as a kid) you were touched by Steven Jobs (he worked for Atari before there was Apple).  Or if you enjoy the amazing Pixar animation at the movies–that was his, too. And he never graduated from college. He made several comebacks. But in another day, he might have been aborted, and it would all have been lost.

It’s sad that someone so bright, so innovative, so entrepreneurial is gone only in his mid-50s (he was only 56).  But he was one of the lucky ones.  My own father died of pancreatic cancer, and like most, he died only several months after his diagnosis (he self-diagnosed).  Jobs beat back pancreatic cancer for a few years, which is rare (and he had the rare form that was supposed to be curable with surgery).  His billions show that, rich or poor, you can’t beat G-d’s plan when it’s time.  It bothered me when TMZ and many other news sites published photos of an emaciated, skin-and-bones Jobs after he resigned from Apple.  I wished people would let this man live his last days in peace.

Although I’ve read attacks on Jobs regarding his refusal for several years to recognize his first child, a daughter, and other charges against him, we don’t know what really went on in his personal life, and it has little relevance to what he did to change the world in terms of technology.  My friends who are Mac, iPad, and iPhone users swear by them and will never go back.  They say they never get viruses that infect and incapacitate their computers, as I’ve  had happen on my PC so many times over the years and especially recently.  And his “cloud” concept along with the iPad will revolutionize technology for years to come.  It changed the game and left companies like the struggling HP in the dust.

And, finally, there are the “Steve Jobs was a Muslim” claims.

I’ve been getting e-mails saying this from various Muslims–a religion that has very few of its adherents among the great geniuses, scientists, technology innovators, and  inventors in the world.  Ever since Jobs announced his resignation from Apple, they sent me the claims. Here’s a tip, Muslims: Steve Jobs was a Buddhist.

Yes, technically, according to Islamic law, Jobs would be considered a Muslim, just as Barack Obama would.  His biological father was a Syrian graduate student (in the U.S. on a student visa) who impregnated an American Christian grad student.  They eventually married, but after Jobs was given up for adoption.  The Syrian, Abdulfattah John Jandali, is now, at age 80, Vice President of a Nevada casino, so he’s clearly not a religious Muslim.  And Jandali never met Jobs nor did he even know Jobs was his son until a few years ago.

Jobs was raised by Paul and Clara Jobs.  Steven Jobs was never raised with any connection to Islam, Syria, or Arabs.  He never made any connection with or outreach to these groups later in life when he could have and was trying to reconnect with his past. Jobs never made an appearance at a mosque, never cited the Koran, never identified with Islam or Arabia in any way. Never uttered a single sentence or phrase in the lingua franca of their extremist politics.

It’s a safe bet that if Steven Jobs had been raised as an Arab Muslim, there would be no Apple. Not even Al-Apple. And a lot of great inventions that made our lives better and more enjoyable would never have happened. Jobs’ story is the success of American capitalism. And it’s about the kind of innovation and technological spirit that only happens in two countries in the world: the U.S. and Israel. This story would never have happened in Syria, pre- or post-Arab Spring.

And, then, there is the pancreatic cancer gene, BRCA and its variants.  It’s disproportionately common in Jews.  So, you have to wonder whether or not Jobs–even on his biological Arab father’s side–had some of the Jewish genes in his past.  It’s well known that throughout Middle Eastern history, Jews were forcibly converted to Islam.  And, often, we find that people who have high incidence of pancreatic and breast cancer have some Jewish blood in their background.  Scientists found, for example, that a reason breast cancer is likely high in Hispanic women–as with Jewish women–is that there were many Hispanic Jews who converted to Catholicism, whether by force or as the only chance for survival, during the Inquisition.

I wouldn’t be surprised if way back when . . . the Al-Mohad Muslims–who forcibly converted hundreds of thousands of Jews to Islam–forced a conversion of some of Steve Jobs’ biological ancestors.  We’ll never know.

But don’t believe the “Steve Jobs is a Muslim” hype.  He didn’t believe that.  And neither should you.

Steve Jobs, Rest In Peace.

Watch Steve Jobs’ FANTASTIC! 2005 speech at Stanford’s graduation. It begins at about 7:40 in.

**** UPDATE: Reader Gerald reminds us of an important point about Steve Jobs:

One thing I do appreciate about Steve Jobs … his refusal to allow pornography to be distributed through I-Pad app store (or whatever it is called). He caught a lot of flack over that from the perverse liberals, but he stood his ground and never relented. Now that he has passed away, I hope that whoever takes his place stands firm on that conviction of his.

Amen, Gerald. Principle like that is rare today. Few corporations are willing to stand up and do what is right on money-making stuff like this. Jobs and Apple could have made even more money off of apps had they agreed to porn apps. But he did the right thing!

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Re: Steve Jobs hits the bucket
« Reply #65 on: October 09, 2011, 03:56:42 PM »
Because what said was completely different than saying, "i bet that queer Nazi had AIDS like yasser Arafat.". Which comment will the public consider normal? Yours or mine?
Did you read what I actually wrote?
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That's because there is an excellent chance that like Arafat, he actually had AIDS.

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« Reply #66 on: October 09, 2011, 05:13:47 PM »
I agree with the Schlussel article except to point out that Jobs and Apple DID NOT invent the cloud concept. It has been in development by several technology companies for several years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing

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The term "cloud" is used as a metaphor for the Internet, based on the cloud drawing used in the past to represent the telephone network,[20] and later to depict the Internet in computer network diagrams as an abstraction of the underlying infrastructure it represents.[21]

Cloud computing is a natural evolution of the widespread adoption of virtualization, service-oriented architecture, autonomic, and utility computing. Details are abstracted from end-users, who no longer have need for expertise in, or control over, the technology infrastructure "in the cloud" that supports them.[22]

The underlying concept of cloud computing dates back to the 1960s, when John McCarthy opined that "computation may someday be organized as a public utility." Almost all the modern-day characteristics of cloud computing (elastic provision, provided as a utility, online, illusion of infinite supply), the comparison to the electricity industry and the use of public, private, government, and community forms, were thoroughly explored in Douglas Parkhill's 1966 book, The Challenge of the Computer Utility.

The actual term "cloud" borrows from telephony in that telecommunications companies, who until the 1990s offered primarily dedicated point-to-point data circuits, began offering Virtual Private Network (VPN) services with comparable quality of service but at a much lower cost. By switching traffic to balance utilization as they saw fit, they were able to utilize their overall network bandwidth more effectively. The cloud symbol was used to denote the demarcation point between that which was the responsibility of the provider and that which was the responsibility of the user. Cloud computing extends this boundary to cover servers as well as the network infrastructure.[23]
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Re: Steve Jobs hits the bucket
« Reply #67 on: October 09, 2011, 09:42:25 PM »
Nice post Lisa.

If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

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« Reply #68 on: October 09, 2011, 09:49:54 PM »
Nice post Lisa.



Thanks Dr. Dan.  I like Debbie's blog.  She also had a very nice post about Rabbi Kahane a while back. 

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« Reply #69 on: October 10, 2011, 07:09:17 AM »
Um.  What?

Why the confusion? Am I the only one who has noticed an excessive use of the term Nazi to the point of the term itself being marginalized?
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« Reply #70 on: October 10, 2011, 09:48:27 AM »
Why the confusion? Am I the only one who has noticed an excessive use of the term Nazi to the point of the term itself being marginalized?

You're not the only one who feels this way here.
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« Reply #71 on: October 10, 2011, 02:45:24 PM »
You're not the only one who feels this way here.
So, does that mean that you went back and reread my actual statement on the first page?

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« Reply #72 on: October 10, 2011, 03:42:22 PM »
So, does that mean that you went back and reread my actual statement on the first page?

You never called him a Nazi, but stopped short of claiming he died of AIDS.

Anyway, Chaim gave his answer about Steve Jobs and his answer is spot on.  Worded properly.
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« Reply #73 on: October 10, 2011, 03:49:25 PM »
You never called him a Nazi, but stopped short of claiming he died of AIDS.

Anyway, Chaim gave his answer about Steve Jobs and his answer is spot on.  Worded properly.
1: Any apology in order?

2: I haven't heard it yet but regardless of what it is, I had a right to my speculation.

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« Reply #74 on: October 10, 2011, 04:25:45 PM »
1: Any apology in order?

2: I haven't heard it yet but regardless of what it is, I had a right to my speculation.

Did you listen to how Chaim answered the question?  Not once did he say the word AIDS, Nazi, or pancreatic cancer.  You had a right to speculate anything you wanted.  However, the speculation doesn't help your cause.  Makes you less credible for future claims.  I'm only trying to help.

But I'm sorry that about the part where I thought you called him a Nazi.
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