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SharonD:
--- Quote from: Daniel Michael ben Avraham on December 15, 2011, 09:14:08 AM ---Did you purposefully leave the "conservative movement" off your list, or do they fall into the liberal non Jewish category?
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I'm really not crazy about all these "movements" in Judaism -- as if being 'Reform' makes one less Jewish. Same is true of Conservative, but they are a dying breed, so I didn't think they were worth mentioning. Whatever happened to the old days, when you were either shomer Shabbos or you weren't?
I simply will not tolerate Jews who turn Marxist ideology into religion. I'd take a nonobservant Zionist Jew any day over a fully secularized Jew who kids himself the goyim will like him if he puts up a Christmas tree. Too bad Lefty Jews won't accept that it's not what you say you are, it's what the world says you are.
Daniel Michael ben Avraham:
Well Sharon, I completely understand that viewpoint. Sephardic Jews only view the world of Jews as Torah observant and those that are not yet Torah observant. There are those that do not keep mitzvot and may even be completely off the derech, but at least there is the recognized standard. BTW, welcome to JTF.
nessuno:
--- Quote from: SharonD on December 15, 2011, 09:39:40 AM ---I'm really not crazy about all these "movements" in Judaism -- as if being 'Reform' makes one less Jewish. Same is true of Conservative, but they are a dying breed, so I didn't think they were worth mentioning. Whatever happened to the old days, when you were either shomer Shabbos or you weren't?
I simply will not tolerate Jews who turn Marxist ideology into religion. I'd take a nonobservant Zionist Jew any day over a fully secularized Jew who kids himself the goyim will like him if he puts up a Christmas tree. Too bad Lefty Jews won't accept that it's not what you say you are, it's what the world says you are.
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What?
People have to take personal responsibiltiy for their own life choices and how they practice their faith.
I don't know any goyim that secretly want Jewish people to put up a Christmas Tree, and I know a lot of goyim.
It really is time to stop blaming goyim for the weakness of secular Jews. That's ignorant.
SharonD:
--- Quote from: bullcat3 on December 19, 2011, 08:02:33 AM ---What?
People have to take personal responsibiltiy for their own life choices and how they practice their faith.
I don't know any goyim that secretly want Jewish people to put up a Christmas Tree, and I know a lot of goyim.
It really is time to stop blaming goyim for the weakness of secular Jews. That's ignorant.
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Bullcat, I agree with you. I think you may have misunderstood, or perhaps I wasn't clear. I AM blaming the weakness of secular Jews, not the goyim. How can anyone have any respect for a group of people (secular Jews) with no self-respect?
nessuno:
It is still not clear to me. While you blame secular Jews for their weaknessess, you seem to insinuate that goyim are trying to figure out how to have a Christmas tree in every Jewish home. Not true.
When a Jewish family, with no goyim in the mix, put up Christmas decorations...it leaves me in an utter state of confusion. Not joy.
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