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Ephraim vs Modern Jews
Chai:
This is from wiki on Ephraim.
Just like the Religious Zionist today who want an independent Israel with out Messiah. Why did God punish Ephraim? What about what Rabbi Kahane said about miracles dont just happen , they happen because we earn them Ephraim had a lot of courage . What is the difference between them and us?Ephraim was the only tripe that didn't have a "getto" mentality. I think god should have rewarded Ephraim
Rabbinical texts mock the tribe for the character it has in the deuteronomic history, claiming that Ephraim, being headstrong, left Egypt 30 years prior to the Exodus, and on arrival in Canaan was subjected to a disastrous battle with the Philistines;[6] in the Midrashic Jasher this is portrayed as a rebellion of Ephraim against God, resulting in the slaying of all but 10, and the bleached bones of the slaughtered being strewn across the roads, so much so that the circuitous route of the Exodus was simply an attempt by God to prevent the Israelites from having to suffer the sight of the remains.[6]
Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: Chai on December 19, 2011, 05:12:08 PM ---
Rabbinical texts mock the tribe for the character it has
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Not true. In fact the opposite once 1 looks into that. It talks about the history of the tribe leaving Egypt and then the fact that they got slaughtered. When does it say that? When it points that they stole sheep from the Pilishtim. If you go back in history to Avraham you see him making a covenant with the king of the Plishtim (one of the reasons for the slavery in Egypt- given by RambaN) since they (Ephraim) broke that covenant by stealing from them a consequence was that they go killed. BUT later on it was precisely these same people who merited being resurrected in the time of Ezekiel the Prophet.
Some (particularly anti-zionists) use this incident to say see you shouldn't leave the galut, but the Talmudh or Rabbinic texts (and the commentaries to it) say otherwise, soo don't make that confusion.
Chai:
Oh yeaaa they did I forgot about that. If you guys know anything else please i find this interesting !
Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: Chai on December 19, 2011, 05:37:45 PM ---Oh yeaaa they did I forgot about that. If you guys know anything else please i find this interesting !
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Their was a great Shiur By Rabbi Yehuda Richter on it online some time ago, but it was taken down (not by him but by Gov.)
Chai:
What ? What gov? What did the shir entail that is was brought down?
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