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Moshe Feiglin for PM!?!
« on: January 25, 2012, 01:28:42 AM »
It looks like Moshe Feiglin is making a run for PM of Likud. I just listened to Shifra Hoffman who guest hosted Tamar Yonahs show at Arutz Sheva. What I heard was very encouraging. If anyone would like to check out the website

http://mflikud.com



Both Shifra Hoffman and Shmuel Sakket worked with Rabbi Kahane in the JDL. Both speak the same language as we do... Maybe we can work together...

Maybe, just maybe, the tide can turn and we can restore a proud Jewish state which we all will be proud of...

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Radio/News.aspx/3717#.Tx-jbxBSQYp
« Last Edit: January 25, 2012, 01:36:34 AM by muman613 »
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Re: Moshe Feiglin for PM!?!
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2012, 01:34:42 AM »
http://www.mflikud.com/eng_contents/update/PDF/5772/Long7214.pdf

United We Stand: By Moshe Feiglin

Translated from the Makor Rishon newspaper

If the pictures of last week's destroyed outposts had been of Bedouin villages or illegal houses in the Galilee, the whole country would have been up in arms. Leftist author Amos Oz would have run to build the destroyed homes with his own hands, the media would have incessantly interviewed the children who were thrown out of their beds in the middle of the night and the Arabs would have gotten the message and would have ignited all the mixed Jewish/Arab towns throughout Israel.

But Jewish children in their pajamas standing in the freezing cold outside their destroyed houses; Torah scrolls crumpled in the mud amidst the ruins of synagogues – none of that is 'news'.

There is no dearth of rivalry within the Left; both personal and ideological. But when they face off against the settlers and the Right, they present a united front. There are no 'extremists' in the Left. You can be funded by foreign governments to directly undermine your country and aid its declared enemies; you can organize violent demonstrations weekly, stoning IDF soldiers, injuring over 700 (!) soldiers and Border Police; you can refuse to serve in the army; you can break the law and riot as much as you want. If you are a leftist, fighting the Left's battle of disintegration and retreat – you are in the consensus; you have a reserved seat at the round tables, in the universities, on television and ironically – even at meetings with the settlers.

On the other hand, if you settle the Land of Israel with dedication, but not exactly according to the ideological nuances of one yeshiva or another – you are alone. On the morning after the destruction, no Amos Oz or other spiritual leaders will be there for you. The rabbi of one sub-group will be afraid to come to encourage and lend legitimacy to the outpost of the other sub-group. And vice versa.

When the home of Nati Ozeri was destroyed along with all the belongings inside and his widow and small orphans were thrown out into the frozen Hebron night, I came with just a few people to help. No settler leader or spiritual guide was there. In my eyes, this is the underlying reason that those thousands who considered themselves firmly ensconced within the consensus and the law suffered the same hell just a few years later.

The fear of supporting the basic rights of the person whom we perceive as more extreme than we are paralyzes us all. One does not have to agree with the controversial book, Torat Hamelech or the 'price- tag' operations in order to stand with the families whose husbands were expelled from their homes by army orders originally reserved for terrorists – and were then charged with spying.

As a resident of Samaria, I feel humiliated by the way we treat ourselves. Is it a surprise that we get the same treatment from the pogromchicks and Israeli society? The way that society relates to the settlers is simply a reflection of how we relate to ourselves. If the heads and rabbis of the settlement movement do not pick the Torah scroll out from the rubble and mud and rebuild Mitzpeh Avichai with their own hands their message is clear: Those people in the outposts are 'extremists', so the abomination that was perpetrated against them is legitimate. Why should the rest of the Israeli public think otherwise?

In the meantime, the evil winds are blowing and every week the black militias show up in the middle of the night, biting off another house and another family.

When Ehud Barak sent the security forces to destroy Ramat Gilad, I came there to be with the residents of the outpost. Speaking before the large group that had assembled there, my assessment was that Netanyahu would not let it happen. "He has primaries in another month," I said. "He will not campaign for me. But as to the outposts that are not supported by the settler mainstream, Bibi calculates – unfortunately correctly – that he can destroy them now without causing himself any damage. So until January 31st you can all sleep soundly. Nobody will come to destroy your homes." It turns out that Barak had attempted to destroy Ramat Gilad without Netanyahu's knowledge; my assessment was exact.

The pressure on the Prime Minister before the Likud primaries may force him to authorize the law to 'legalize' the outposts before voting day. If that happens, it will turn out ex post facto that the fact that I am running against Netanyahu in the primaries has temporarily saved Migron and Givat Asaf. But even if that happens, it will be just a temporary respite in the losing battle that the settlements have been waging ever since the Oslo Accords were signed. Today, nobody even remembers that Neveh Dekalim was built by the Labor party and Yitzhar by the Likud. Netanyahu has declared his intention to establish a 'Palestinian' state, every week Jewish families are thrown out of their homes, the only city being built in Judea or Samaria is the Arab Wahabi, and on their way to work, the settlers must drive through international border crossings.

The inability of the leaders of the Right and the settlement movement to give their full backing to the different sub-groups within – and their inability to establish an ideological alternative to the direction in which Zionism is retreating – plays into the hands of the Left and perpetuates the Oslo Accords.

Peace Now did not petition the court against Gush Katif and no legal problems threatened it. The winds that threatened Gush Katif are still threatening Ofra and Beit El, Migron and Givat Asaf – with or without the law to legalize the outposts.
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Moshe Feiglin for PM!?!
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2012, 02:01:24 AM »
feiglin would be a breath of fresh air

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Re: Moshe Feiglin for PM!?!
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2012, 02:02:59 AM »
It was amazing what I heard on the Tamar Show. Shmuel Sakket claimed that a part of Feiglins plan includes recinding the right of arab Israelis to vote. That would prevent the traitors who sit in Knesset from continuing their vivid destruction from within.


You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: Moshe Feiglin for PM!?!
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2012, 02:58:24 AM »
I am very interested to see how the likud primary will go.  God willing, feiglin will beat netanyahu and stop the settlement destruction terror.

If he does not have a strong showing, I imagine that manhigut yehudit will rethink their whole strategy.  Something tells me he will do well though.

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Re: Moshe Feiglin for PM!?!
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2012, 04:07:47 AM »
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Moshe Feiglin has spent millions of dollars for more than ten years now on his futile effort to take over the Likud. He has failed to ever win a single Knesset seat.

Can you imagine what we could do if we had millions of dollars?

Feiglin has gotten many rightwing Jews to vote Likud, which is the worst party in Israel. Likud is the party that has surrendered more land and expelled more Jews than all other parties combined.

This entire effort is counterproductive and harmful.

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Re: Moshe Feiglin for PM!?!
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2012, 03:20:44 PM »
I have the thoughts and feelings of Chaim on this one, yett on the other hand when I spoke to Rav Bar Hayim Shlitta he spoke otherwise. He said that Feiglin was down by only 300 votes and people should vote for him. Perhaps reconciling the two we can say- vote for Feiglin but financially support Hayamim until it grows and is able to run .
 Anyway their was a recent conference of Feiglin, Rav Bar Hayim and others recently
http://machonshilo.org/en/eng/component/content/article/34-featured/574-conference
 
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

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Re: Moshe Feiglin for PM!?!
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2012, 03:24:00 PM »
In the interview with Shifra Shmuel explained why Moshe is running for the Likud party. The explanation is basically that as a part of the larger Likud they can have more influence than if they attempted to create another right-wing party which cannot accomplish anything. It sounded like it makes sense to me..

True Likud is shmutz... But we must admit that Likud is the most powerful of the so-called right wing parties. If Feiglin could gain power in this party he may be able to turn things around.

By the way, who is running for Hayamim?
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Moshe Feiglin for PM!?!
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2012, 06:43:55 PM »
בס''ד

Moshe Feiglin has spent millions of dollars for more than ten years now on his futile effort to take over the Likud. He has failed to ever win a single Knesset seat.

Can you imagine what we could do if we had millions of dollars?

Feiglin has gotten many rightwing Jews to vote Likud, which is the worst party in Israel. Likud is the party that has surrendered more land and expelled more Jews than all other parties combined.

This entire effort is counterproductive and harmful.

Still would be great if he won the primary though.  No one who votes in the primary or registers likud has to vote for them in the election.  If bibi is head of likud only a suicidal moron could then vote likud.  But its worth it for people to join likud just to vote against bibi in primaries.

Have they really raised millions?  What do they do with it?
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Re: Moshe Feiglin for PM!?!
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2012, 06:58:14 PM »
I have the thoughts and feelings of Chaim on this one, yett on the other hand when I spoke to Rav Bar Hayim Shlitta he spoke otherwise. He said that Feiglin was down by only 300 votes and people should vote for him. Perhaps reconciling the two we can say- vote for Feiglin but financially support Hayamim until it grows and is able to run .
 Anyway their was a recent conference of Feiglin, Rav Bar Hayim and others recently
http://machonshilo.org/en/eng/component/content/article/34-featured/574-conference
 

Its much simpler than that, actually.  Vote for him in primaries but if anyone other than feiglin is chairman of likud come election time, then simply vote ichud leumi in the election.

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Re: Moshe Feiglin for PM!?!
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2012, 07:16:06 PM »
Its much simpler than that, actually.  Vote for him in primaries but if anyone other than feiglin is chairman of likud come election time, then simply vote ichud leumi in the election.

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4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: Moshe Feiglin for PM!?!
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2012, 03:00:01 AM »
Its much simpler than that, actually.  Vote for him in primaries but if anyone other than feiglin is chairman of likud come election time, then simply vote ichud leumi in the election.

Well, you're an outsider, can't blame you for being so naive thinking it works like that in Stalinist Israel.

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Re: Moshe Feiglin for PM!?!
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2012, 06:36:47 AM »
Well, you're an outsider, can't blame you for being so naive thinking it works like that in Stalinist Israel.

So instead of just criticizing, explain how it really works
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

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Re: Moshe Feiglin for PM!?!
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2012, 06:52:28 PM »
Well, you're an outsider, can't blame you for being so naive thinking it works like that in Stalinist Israel.

Well I accept constructive criticism, but I can't see how naivete would play any role in the clear logic I employed.  Perhaps I just have more intelligence than many of the people voting in Israel?  Or more political savvy?  One can vote for someone even without subscribing to his whole belief system.  For me, if it's a practical measure that will protect settlements, then its worth doing.  The primary is very important.