Bibi ~ 75% Feiglin ~ 25% in the latest Likud primary - Conclusions ?

[edu]

Given all the time, energy, money, and hope devoted by some of the right-wing to get Feiglin to some power, within the evil Likud party, is there someone in this forum who wishes to draw some conclusions about Feiglin's efforts.
Namely, is Feiglin's political tricks, harmful or in some way helpful or neutral in achieving the goals of the True Right?

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

I think the conclusion is we are doomed, chas veshalom.

I was hoping feiglin w this primary could get in the way of bibi's oslo suicide and steamrolling of settlements.  25% is the same % he got last time.  How could it possibly be only 1/4 of likud voters (not even one fourth because only a percentage actually voted in this) would express disappointment with bibi after all the evil he has done?  Likudniks are truly sick people.

I'm sure manhigut yehudit will say "eventually we will win."  It might even be true, but we don't have time for "eventually."  "Eventually" does not practically stop the terrible things bibi is doing right now.  This is an emergency situation.  I think MY should rethink its strategy and try some new ideas since they will have nothing to say and no impact on anything until the next likud primary.  This primary has basically rendered them temporarily irrelevant.  Its a perfect opportunity IMO for experimenting with a new approach.   Feiglin on a radio program once mentioned settlers are 66% of combat forces in the IDF and could leave and demand their share of the weapons.   I'm saying they should experiment along those lines.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Also on the question of whether its harmful or helpful.  No it is not harmful if people are smart, but 1. Many people are stupid and think that non-MY candidates like danon and hotoveli are anything other than party hacks working for bibi, and feiglin has promoted this misconception unfortunately.  Yea they do have a bit of rightwing streak in them, and yes MY's influence has helped to catapult such politicians over other sicker people, but at the end of the day they work for bibi and they do not significantly oppose his vision. 

And the MY thing itself could work if people weren't so stupid but what can you say about dumb israelis and likudniks, they seem incapable of voting intelligently.

I forgot what point #2 was going to be.

[Dr. Dan]

If he could get 1/4th of the liked vote, why doesn't he start his own political party to rival liked and yisrael beiteinu? 

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

If he could get 1/4th of the liked vote, why doesn't he start his own political party to rival liked and yisrael beiteinu? 

Much of his support is from settlers who followed him into likud in order to vote for him and among the rest of his likud support, some of them would not follow him to another party if he left likud.

Aside from all that the bigger problem is the method of sectoral parties which seek to tag along or attach themselves to the national leadership rather than actually lead with a different vision, has been tried and failed for decades. It is stale, it is old, worst of all it does not work.   The idea behind manhigut yehudit was to appeal to a broader base which will not be achievable as another "settler party" which btw the settler leadership won't even unite behind - there's already 2 of those parties now.

[Dr. Dan]

So explain how kahane was able to pull it off forming his own party?  Bottom line, Israelis who really care will choose a party that compromises less compared to liked and yisrael beiteinu

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

So explain how kahane was able to pull it off forming his own party?  Bottom line, Israelis who really care will choose a party that compromises less compared to liked and yisrael beiteinu

Rabbi Kahane was also not a sectoral party, that's the major difference.

Feiglin and company took a different route (also not a sectoral party) by trying to take over likud.  If instead they formed an outside party, how would it change their chances of succeeding?  I'm not sure its any different.   But for sure it would make very little sense to form an NRP version 27.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

Michael Puah: Feiglin Doubled His Strength

Michael Puah of the Moshe Feiglin election headquarters told Arutz Sheva, Thursday, that the Feiglin campaign will demand the protocols of Tuesday's Likud primaries, claiming a great difference between the results reported to them by poll monitors and those published by the party. Allowing for human error, he said that the party secretariat has refuse to let them see the results.

Based on the information at his disposal, Puah said that Feiglin received 14,660 votes, as compared to 8,770 in the previous primary. He added that with only 3,000 people voting beyond the 1949 armistice line, those numbers belie the claim that Feiglin is the candidate only of residents of Judea and Samaria.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/231137#.TysQtYG3MtY

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Screw Feiglin. He denounced the saints Dr. Goldstein and Yigal Amir so I will denounce him.

[muman613]

Screw Feiglin. He denounced the saints Dr. Goldstein and Yigal Amir so I will denounce him.

Here you go again... Failing to understand what it takes to be a right-wing politician. Any politician who would vocally support those who you mentioned would have virtually zero chance of winning in an Israeli election. So basically you are suggesting that there will never be a right wing leader in Israel because in order to meet your expectation he would have to commit political suicide.

Feiglin IS by far heads and shoulders better than Bibi is...

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

There is such a thing as "keeping your mouth shut". He had no reason to go out of his way to attack them and could have said nothing. Also, he could have asked, legally, why it is that Israel has freed over 1,000 terrorists in various deals and gestures but why Amir cannot receive any clemency. Raising that question, without directly championing him, is not any violation of Israeli law, and quite a few Israelis (even if only in private) would share that question.

Do you agree with Feiglin denouncing those heroes?

[muman613]

There is such a thing as "keeping your mouth shut". He had no reason to go out of his way to attack them and could have said nothing. Also, he could have asked, legally, why it is that Israel has freed over 1,000 terrorists in various deals and gestures but why Amir cannot receive any clemency. Raising that question, without directly championing him, is not any violation of Israeli law, and quite a few Israelis (even if only in private) would share that question.

Do you agree with Feiglin denouncing those heroes?

Certainly not.... But I am not a politician and thank Hashem I don't have to please many people with my opinions.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

So then what is the excuse for what Feiglin does? I already stated that there was no reason for him to attack those two in his books. They were not even in the news at the time of those words.

Feiglin is Romney or Gingrich compared to Lewinsky's Obama. Not as bad, no, but still not any kind of a hero.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

So then what is the excuse for what Feiglin does? I already stated that there was no reason for him to attack those two in his books. They were not even in the news at the time of those words.

Feiglin is Romney or Gingrich compared to Lewinsky's Obama. Not as bad, no, but still not any kind of a hero.

 I would like to see the exact words. Many times people can misunderstand or hear from others and then the original thing said/written becomes distorted. Either way im not the biggest fan of anyone, but it would not hurt at all to vote for him for the Likud candidate and then vote for some other party better then Likud.