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Offline Kahane-Was-Right BT

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Re: End of the world
« Reply #25 on: February 29, 2012, 10:59:31 PM »
It could be... But we don't know... Unless you know for sure that is not the time...

Are you serious right now?  Any christian guy with a website can make a claim about "end of the world" (who says the world ends in the first place?  Is that a Jewish idea?) because he clains to read it in psalms.  Lol the guy here asked for people with knowledge of Judaism and asks if what "false prophet of doom" claims about judaism is true.   No, chazal made no such claims.  No rabbanim interpreted no such thing.  No, we do not know when the messiah will come and when we begin a new age on earth (not world ending in explosion and everyone who doesn't believe in yashke dies - but a new era where we are still here).   I do know for sure that the gentleman's wild speculation is only his own.

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Re: End of the world
« Reply #26 on: February 29, 2012, 11:15:40 PM »
I bring this up knowing full well of the covert left wingie apocylyptic cults that whimper about these things without end, and say Jews go to hell (and reason that even if they sin more and don't keep torah, they like yashua so that absolves them of everything . ???)

Regardless of them, this craig guy sort of made sense,

You realize he very well might fit the description you wrote above, right?

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and it was psalm 102, but I don't really see where it says this will be the last generation, so I asked here.

That makes no sense.  You say he made sense but you say you don't know where he got what he is saying from.   So how can you say he "makes sense" if you think he's making stuff up and talking out of his behind?  You sound very confused.   

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What is the opinion of this guy here? Prophet of doom fights muzzbags, but his yadayahweh.com I'm not sure. I still like him more than the majority of christians. My opinion, but I'm not keeping up researching his material if he's a bad guy, so discern. He sent me this "exclusive" 300k word research paper after our chat that I'll send if someone's interested, as I never quite find the time to read this. 

Perhaps that's an attempt at missionizing?

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As for meriting it, we will re-instate mosaic law before shiloh, it is written. If christains can't tell the savages stop killing Jews because they now hide behind "tolerance" then we deal with them in the original manner, I only hope not many Jewish deaths happen in Israel to replace the secular government with one that will fulfill the prophesy. I think we merit it if we all go back to the holy way of life.

So I'm back to not having any clue when the end is, can anyone change that?

The end of what?  We cherish life and the ability to do mitzvahs.  We don't hope for death or destruction or for our lives to be taken away.

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Re: End of the world
« Reply #27 on: February 29, 2012, 11:18:54 PM »
Hopelessness? I am a very happy camper. I don't spend my days worrying about the end, believe me. Some guy I talked to on one of my religious learning rampages said he knew when shiloh comes, so I gave him opportunity to explain himself. And I like the post that says we must deserve his coming, so my new reasoning is that we don't love him quite enough yet. Either way, I am not paranoid.

I did not post to preach, just to get a second opinion or what I was taught. Thanks all for sharing.

Huh?  Love whom enough yet?

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Re: End of the world
« Reply #28 on: February 29, 2012, 11:20:55 PM »
^ i think he meant the mosiach

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Re: End of the world
« Reply #29 on: February 29, 2012, 11:22:30 PM »
People used Torah and Kaballah for bad.

Oh really?  Who were they and what did they do?

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Re: End of the world
« Reply #30 on: February 29, 2012, 11:24:19 PM »
Sounds like messianic jews to me!
Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the horn, and the people be not warned, and the sword do come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

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Re: End of the world
« Reply #31 on: February 29, 2012, 11:26:25 PM »
Hashem says to call on his name specifically in times of need. I do it in my head, to be safe. What gives any rabbi the need to withhold it? Let fools use it in vain and die, I use it to pray that others might live. I'll blow up the new abomination of our desolaton myself if that's what it takes, but I want to know, everything I learn of g-d makes me love him that much more. If others copy that, then it's his name that is the first step towards shiloh.

Why do you have to say I can't?? Now I must find out, with or without you.

Muman you are taking his bait.   The whole "Jews don't say God's real name, that means they are not really followers of God" bit is a typical missionary routine.  Notice how he ignores the real reasons you give but then he says things like "how can you put a limit on my interaction with God". - yeah and we have horns too and we're using our kaballah cult to take over the world finances ....Yawn, how long until the banning.

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Re: End of the world
« Reply #32 on: February 29, 2012, 11:32:18 PM »
^ i think he meant the mosiach

We have a mitzvah to love God, not to love the messiah (who btw is a person most likely none of us have met yet and had no interaction with yet, so it doesn't even make sense to "love" this person)

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Re: End of the world
« Reply #33 on: February 29, 2012, 11:32:36 PM »
Sorry Muman! That is the feeling I got too.
Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the horn, and the people be not warned, and the sword do come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

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Re: End of the world
« Reply #34 on: February 29, 2012, 11:43:36 PM »
I don't trust this guy and I don't think you should tell him anything else! Sorry!!!!
Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the horn, and the people be not warned, and the sword do come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

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Re: End of the world
« Reply #35 on: March 01, 2012, 01:05:16 AM »
Class of 2012: they saved the best for last.

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Re: End of the world
« Reply #36 on: March 01, 2012, 01:58:12 AM »
You may be right... It does seem a little fishy and from a Christian perspective. I did not look at the site he linked to. I usually only read sites which are found with a Jewish search engine {each site approved by some Rabbi sitting in a dark room in Jerusalem}.

I believe I am aware that they do say that since we don't use the name there must be something wrong with the Jewish faith. But I understand why the name is not used today and it is a good thing, as some others here have suggested, since the world is in such low spiritual health. I am reminded of this movie which I have shared with other members called Pi which is about the search for a name of G-d. In the end it drove the protagonist crazy...

 
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: End of the world
« Reply #37 on: March 01, 2012, 02:09:26 AM »
In a way my understanding of why we don't use the name is for several possible reasons:

1) It would be a sign of disrespect if a mere mortal human would utter the name which represents the transcendental quality of our L-rd.

2) There is a mitzvah in the 10 sayings/commandments to not use the name of the L-rd in vain, or in a circumstance which is not befitting the holy/special nature of Hashems 'existence'. This is one reason why the Talmud explains that one should not use the word 'Shalom' in the bathroom because Shalom is a name of Hashem.

3) It is believed that the correct intonation of the ineffable name has actual physical and spiritual power, and those who possess this name are capable of wonders. An example of this is in the Torah when Moshe smote the Egyptian task master as it is said he did so uttering the name of Hashem. Heaven forbid the name should be used for ill purpose...




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3) In Moses’ initial contact with the Creator, he asked to know His Name. This seems strange, since the Midrash teaches that Moses knew the Divine Name, using it to kill the Egyptian taskmaster. Being a Levite, whose tribe faithfully preserved the holy traditions of the nation, how couldn’t Moses have known the Name of His G-d? Notice that HaShem did not then reveal to Moses the essence of His most sacred Name, but replies, “I Shall Be What I Shall Be.” Now E-hiyeh (I Shall Be) is indeed one of the seven holy Names of G-d that may not be erased. However, it may well have been a mild form of rebuke. Ancient magic and sorcery involved the use of various “holy names” in incantations to cast spells and manipulate supernatural powers. This practice is alive and well in India, as well as in largely extinct schools of pseudo-Kabbalah (as opposed to genuine Qabbalah). Considering Moses’ upbringing, his question could hint to the magical perspective of the ancient world, in which Moses was raised and educated. (Moses is not a flat character, but one who grows and develops, which could warrant a special essay in itself!) It is not inconceivable that at this initial encounter with the Almighty, he requested a holy name through which he might be expected to perform HaShem's wonders.

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The Gemara in Shabbat takes note of the inclusion of *She'ilat Shalom* among those things which are forbidden in a bathhouse, and infers:

"...this supports R. Hamnuna's teaching in the name of 'Ulla, who said: It is forbidden to "give *Shalom*" to a fellow in a bathhouse, since it says: "[Then Gideon built an altar there to Hashem,] and called it, Hashem is peace (*Hashem Shalom*)..." (Shoftim [Judges] 6:24). If so, it should also be forbidden to mention "faith" in a Beit haKissei [note the seamless shift from bathhouse to outhouse], as it says: "[Know therefore that Hashem your God is God,] the faithful God [who maintains covenant loyalty with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations] (Devarim [Deuteronomy] 7:9). And if you say, that is also true (that it is forbidden to mention "faith" there), but Rava b. Mahs'ya said in the name of R. Hamma b. Guria in the name of Rav: It is permissible to mention "faith" in a Beit haKissei! There [in the case of "faith"], the Name is not itself called that, as we translate: "The God of faith"; here [in the case of "Shalom"], the Name itself is called Shalom, as it says: "and he called it, Hashem Shalom."

In this discussion, we are introduced to the distinction between a "Name" for God and an "Adjective" for God. Since Gid'on called his altar "Hashem Shalom", we understand this to mean that "Shalom" is another name for God. Conversely, although God is described in the Torah as a "Faithful God", this doesn't imply that "Faithful" is a Name; rather, it is an altogether appropriate adjective for Him. The upshot of this is that if we identify a Name for God, that may not be said in the bathroom; however, an adjective which is associated with God isn't included in that prohibition.

Tosafot (Shabbat 10b s.v. d'M'targ'minan) raises an objection to this distinction: Just as the Gemara justifies permitting "Faith" in the Beit haKissei because the verse is translated "the God of faith"; similarly, we translate the verse in Shoftim "the God who makes peace" - so "Shalom" is also a modifier and not a Name! Tosafot's answer is based upon the wording of Gid'on: "Hashem Shalom" - and, if Gid'on only meant to say "God is the one who makes peace", he would have said "Hashem Sh'lomo" (lit. "Hashem who is [the cause of] his peace"). Rosh (Teshuvot 3:15) offers a similar response. However, Tosafot first explains that Gid'on called God "Shalom" because He makes peace. The distinction between this and "faithful God" requires clarification. This will be addressed below in section III.
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: End of the world
« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2012, 05:11:19 PM »
I believe you LKZ... But you know it was called the Six Day War and not the Seven Day war... Right?

It is hard for a Jew to come back to his roots. I know this because I came back in 2003 and have not stopped studying and attempting to increase my observance of the mitzvot. You have said some things which are alarming from some peoples perspective. But I have tolerance and faith that most people want to do the right thing, and believe that there is a truth which we should all know.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_day_war
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: End of the world
« Reply #39 on: March 01, 2012, 05:14:50 PM »
:'(

I am not trying to give you a hard time. I assume you are younger than I and I give you the benefit of the doubt.
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: End of the world
« Reply #40 on: March 01, 2012, 11:10:00 PM »
I didn't say anything of the kind, and have no idea how that makes sense on any level of logic. Christians call him christ or jesus anyways, which is not even the guy's acutal name, so that's hypocritical, and I cared nothing of other Jews knowing it, I just wanted to, because I had little idea why I shouldn't. G-d says call on my name a couple times, and I thought that would be right to do.

And dude I'm really Jewish I have 600 years of geneology prooven and socialist politicans in my family to boot. My great-cousins founded a kibbutz in the Negev, and my family members I have and hope to soon meet fought in the seven day war, so ban me all you please, but I won't have it said that I wronged or stand against any Jew. Did I honestly sound like I was out here to get people to join little craigs cult? I don't even know the guy I just had a chat, and because I'm trying to learn about what exactly everything I stand for is, I talk to people saying that they stand for it. If he had said that, you better believe I would have came out with a completely different reponse to his crap than I did, if I had found any reasons to post a piece of the massive pile of lies out there.

I know how this looks, I'm reading back myself with this new knowledge, and yeah I'm wrong, though I did err with all the right intentions. No excuse, though I don't really have much else to go on. I don't know any Jewish people other than my family where I live, and my they get mad if I talk about Israel or Jews or Muslims outside, so this is one of my first big discussions on Judaism. Who could turn away from judaism for something like that? I only posted because he wrote this stuff like it was supposed to fit into what I already knew, and now that its been pointed out to contradict, forget this guy, its not like I was really engulfed by what he said anyways; I work three diffrent jobs, and I don't watch t.v. so this is my entertainment, it's not like I don't have better things to worry about anyways. All that went through my head in posting was to see whether it was right or wrong.

Ok, ok.  I'm sorry if I misjudged you.  It seems like wynn is trying to missionize you with his million page documents.  And perhaps your comments here were innocent.  I've just seen that "angle" from missionaries so many times on the interwebs so it caused my reaction.   But if you weren't playing those games, fine.

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Re: End of the world
« Reply #41 on: March 02, 2012, 03:10:44 PM »
There have been alot of predictions by many people about the end of days,  but the times we are in now feels so different.  You can tell something is drastically wrong and sense the evil forces!