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PURIM AND THE NEW REFORM JUDAISM
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: muman613 on March 12, 2012, 03:11:23 PM ---In my own community I have witnessed more Jews becoming more Nationalistic and supportive of the Jewish state... I cannot agree with what this article says, thus I am offended by it..
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Huh?
What you wrote in your first sentence is not mutually exclusive with what is written in the article so I don't see why you should be offended. You need to get out more and see what goes on in other Jewish communities besides your own small group.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: muman613 on March 12, 2012, 02:34:33 PM ---
But this machonshilo site seems to prosper on Lashon Hara against righteous Jews... And I rebuke them for that.
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LOL, are you rushing to the defense of Menachem Froman, a man who expresses his love for the PLO and its chairmen as well as Hamas? :o
I think I need my stomach pumped.
There was no lashon hara in this article that I saw. Care to point out a specific example of lashon hara? Are you concerned about Geiger the great destroyer of Judaism? I'm shocked, shocked, shocked! that you are making a false accusation against machon Shilo again. Just shocked!
--- Quote ---And I rebuke them for that.
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You mean you contacted them and gave words of rebuke with a chance for them to reply to you?
Or you are just categorically stating here that you are an "enemy" of machon shilo using a strange turn of phrase to express that? ("I rebuke them" implies that you actively do something to rebuke them - it doesn't work as a standalone phrase to express "I disapprove of them or what they do")
muman613:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on February 20, 2013, 01:43:10 AM ---LOL, are you rushing to the defense of Menachem Froman, a man who expresses his love for the PLO and its chairmen as well as Hamas? :o
I think I need my stomach pumped.
There was no lashon hara in this article that I saw. Care to point out a specific example of lashon hara? Are you concerned about Geiger the great destroyer of Judaism? I'm shocked, shocked, shocked! that you are making a false accusation against machon Shilo again. Just shocked!
You mean you contacted them and gave words of rebuke with a chance for them to reply to you?
Or you are just categorically stating here that you are an "enemy" of machon shilo using a strange turn of phrase to express that? ("I rebuke them" implies that you actively do something to rebuke them - it doesn't work as a standalone phrase to express "I disapprove of them or what they do")
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No I am no enemy of any Jew, nor any Rabbi. You are making some accusations against me.
I do rebuke the method which I felt was being employed. For a Rabbi to constantly have to say that his opinions are the only right ones and all the other Rabbis are making 'stringent chumrot' only to give themselves more power, or whatever reason he wants to, is a little much. I do not appreciate that style of teaching because it seems arrogant and derogatory against other Jews beliefs.
The post you quoted was from March 12, 2012 last year. And much has changed in that amount of time. I do not feel like that about those Rabbis as I have come to appreciate other views, whether I agree with them or not. There most certainly is something to learn from all Rabbis, and even all people.
I think you, KWRBT, need to relax a little. You seem to always take things too seriously and assume that I am saying things against you, which I have no intention of doing.
muman613:
From the very beginning of the original post the writer seems to have a 'chip on his shoulder' knocking several Torah teachings. These teachings are not from the 'reform' branch of Judaism and several of them are concepts from the Talmud.
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I really do not like what Purim has become, pagan mask parties, people getting drunk to no end and my ear drums exploding every time the evil Haman is mentioned during the reading of the Megilat Ester. So I, as do many others, try as hard as possible to stay focused. When someone greets me with a "Purim Sameach", I simply answer as follows: "Purim Sameach to you as well, and may God protect us from our enemies and may we and God together destroy all of our enemies, all of the modern day Amalek!".
Seems to me a reasonable enough response, but more and more the following refrain is thrown back: "First, we must destroy the Amalek within each and every one of us "(funny, I always thought we were the Children of Israel, the exact opposite of Amalek) and then comes the gematria game: "as you know, Amalek and doubt ('safek') are the same number in gematria". I just smile as I do after eating a full plate of cholent, knowing that this too will pass.
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There is a concept that Amalek is doubt, and this is a significant teaching. So too the gematria and so too the fact that 'Blessed is Mordechai' and 'Cursed is Haman' have the same gematria.
If these teachings are not interesting to a person and they want to bring some new insight into the Purim story, they are free to introduce those ideas. Do they need to knock these teachings? I certainly do not think so...
And my primary belief is that by conquering the 'Amalek' within we will be able, with Hashems help, to defeat any enemy with no hesitation. When we know Hashem is with us, and the 'doubt' which the Amalek in our society has introduced is vanquished, we and Hashem will be victorious in every endeavor we undertake.
My Judaism is rooted in both deep spirituality, through prayer and meditation, and through mitzvot, actions which remind me of my service to our G-d. To me there is no Amalek because I do not doubt that Hashem can bring about miracles, and I have faith that there is a Yiddishe Neshama in the world, a Jewish soul which cannot be destroyed.
I am sorry if my approach does not meet with your approval. But my approach has worked well for me so far, so I must ask your understanding.
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