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Zelhar:
--- Quote from: Tag-MahirTzedek on April 09, 2012, 03:32:58 PM --- No only 36.
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If you miss one prayer you get karet. So that's pretty severe, if you take it at face value.
muman613:
My argument is that it is wrong to just say that Jewish mysticism is some kind of avodah zarah... It most obviously is not.
To impugn the several Jewish groups such as Chassidim and Sephardim by saying that such beliefs are un-Jewish is simply slander. It is not based in truth and it is an attack on the deep seated beliefs of a good segment of the religious, righteous, Jews of this world.
Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: muman613 on April 09, 2012, 02:53:26 PM ---I find it funny that a Rationalist doesn't find it odd to believe in Angels and in Miracles which the Torah and the Oral law, and even RAMBAM discusses. Today a 'rationalist' who needs a rational answer for every mitzvot would find RAMBAM to be not so rational when it comes to two of his THIRTEEN PRINCIPLES, these being:
9) I believe with absolute faith in the ressurection of the dead
10) I believe with absolute faith in the coming of Moshiach, and though he delays I wait every day.
These two, where are they in the Torah? Neither the Ressurection nor Moshiach coming are discussed unless you look into deeper sources such as the Talmud.
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- The Rambam discusses angels and says that they exist in prophetic visions, or prophetic slumber.
- Ressurection and gilgul are different things. And the Rambam does bring down mention of ressurection in scripture as well from a number of places (See his treatise in full and not just the 13 princliples brought down from the outside).
- Moshiah is not an irrational phenomenom. Check the Rambam he descibes it in completly worldly affairs and natural process. He calls those who believe in it happeing with open miracles and things like that as mitapshim.(fools).
Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: Zelhar on April 09, 2012, 03:35:18 PM ---If you miss one prayer you get karet. So that's pretty severe, if you take it at face value.
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No not true. This isn't even written or implied. What are you talking about?
Zelhar:
So Muman, if Tehiyas Hamesim is such a high and important principle that denying it is like denying the Torah, how comes it is not mentioned once in the Torah, excepts *maybe* in hints like you posted above.
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