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A B’rakha on the Venus Transit
Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: IsraeliHeart on July 19, 2012, 01:47:05 PM ---
I remember Rav Bar-Hayim opposed saying the bracha for Birkat HaChama. I think he only believes in the Talmud Yerushalmi and not the version in the Talmud Bavli. He thinks the baraita in Mesechet Brachot regarding Birkat HaChama is made up.
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Not true, he takes both the Talmudhim into account
"1. The text before us in the Talmudh Bavli (B'rakhoth 59b) is corrupt. The statement attributed to Abbaye - the supposed source of this B'rakha - was never said by him, and was interpolated into the text at the beginning of the period of the Rishonim. None of the G'onim knew of Abbaye's statement. Some, such as Rav Sa'adya Gaon (p. 90), contradict it. It follows that the notion of saying a B'rakha once in 28 years (and on something one cannot see) was never mandated by the Sages. This entire issue is based on an error in the text.
2. The statement is almost certainly based on a sectarian solar calendar, such as that mentioned in the Book of Jubilees. Thus the entire concept contradicts Hazal who worked with a lunar calendar."
http://machonshilo.org/en/eng/list-ask-the-rav/46-tphilla-and-brakhoth/289-birkath-hahamma
http://machonshilo.org/en/eng/list-ask-the-rav/46-tphilla-and-brakhoth/600-a-brakha-on-the-venus-transit
( The links also provided in this link for further discussion).
muman613:
I gotta say this Rabbi is one prickly guy. Constantly claiming that he knows better than ages of Rabbis who came before him... I doubt he will change the tradition...
I guess all these Rabbis are mistaken and teaching falsehood:
http://koshertube.com/videos/index.php?option=com_seyret&task=searchvideos&Itemid=4&searchkey=HaChama
muman613:
http://www.berachot.org/halacha/24_birkathachammah.html
4. Birkat Hachammah
The Gemara berachot 59b states:
תנו רבנן: הרואה חמה בתקופתה לבנה בגבורתה וכוכבים במסילותם ומזלות כסדרן, אומר ברוך עושה בראשית. ואימת הוי? - אמר אביי: כל עשרים ושמונה שנין, והדר מחזור ונפלה תקופת ניסן בשבתאי באורתא דתלת נגהי ארבע
“Our Rabbis taught: On seeing the sun at its tekufah, the moon at its strength, the stars in their paths, and the Zodiacal constellations in their order, one says Blessed be the Maker of creation. And when does this happen? Abaye said: Every 28 years when the cycle begins again and the Nisan equinox falls into Saturn on the evening of Tuesday, going into Wednesday.”
Abaye’s explanation is based on Shmuel’s calculation that each Tekufah (season) is 91 days and 7.5 hours long. Therefore, 4 seasons, or one solar year, would be 365.25 days (or 365 days and 6 hours). Additionally Abaye’s explanation assumes Rav Yehoshua’s position regarding the creation of the world:
(There is a famous dispute in Gemara Rosh Hashana 10-11 when the world was created: Rav Yehoshua says it was Nissan while Rav Eliezer says it was in Tishrei – the Gemara on 12a concludes that we hold like Rav Yehoshua for calculating the tekufot and Rav Eliezer for numerating the years).
The sun and the moon were first set into place on the evening of the fourth day of creation, or in our terms – Tuesday evening at 6:00 PM. That was the first Tekufat Nissan. One solar year later was the second Tekufat Nissan. Since a solar year, according to Shmuel, is 365.25 days – and since 365 comprises 52 weeks plus a remainder of 1.25 days – the second tekufat Nissan occurred 1.25 days later in the week than the first tekufat Nissan. Thus, the second tekufat Nissan was 1 day and 6 hours (or 30 hours) after Tuesday 6:00 PM, which would be midnight 12:00 AM between Wednesday and Thursday.
If you were to keep adding 30 hours to the first Tekufat Nissan (Tuesday 6:00 PM…Wednesday 12:00 AM…Friday 6:00 AM…Saturday 12:00PM…Sunday 6:00 PM…Monday 12:00 AM…Wednesday 6:00 AM…ect…) it would take 28 years until the Tekufat Nissan returned to Tuesday 6:00 PM.
If you notice the pattern, every 4 years the tekufah returns to the same time of the day (6:00 PM). Also, since 1.25 times 4 is 5 - Every set of 4 years will start 5 days later in the week. So if the first set of 4 was on a Tuesday, the second set of 4 would be on a Sunday. The third will be on a Friday, the fourth on a Wednesday, the fifth on a Monday, the sixth on Saturday, the seventh on Thursday and finally at the very beginning of the eighth cycle it will be back to Tuesday. So it takes 7 full sets of 4 to return to the same day of the week, hence it takes 28 years.
In a sense this is the sun’s anniversary which we celebrate by making our special birkat haChammah on. Therefore this April 8, 2009 in the morning we will be saying Birkat Hachammah
muman613:
By the way I said Birkat HaChama on April 8th, 2009...
Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: muman613 on July 19, 2012, 03:59:28 PM ---I gotta say this Rabbi is one prickly guy. Constantly claiming that he knows better than ages of Rabbis who came before him... I doubt he will change the tradition...
I guess all these Rabbis are mistaken and teaching falsehood:
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I think the [censored] is the one you see on the mirror.
One of the qualities of a Hacham is to have "Holy boldness" that is one of the lessons that Rebbe Nachman MiBreslov teaches ( I thought you would know that since you claim to be his follower).
He is teaching Halacha at the very least in the way that he sees is correct and the truth. How do you disrespect a Rav for having a different Halahic opinion? And this is not the first time you have been using such language towards him, just for having a Halahic opinion different then others. I guess you would be against Rabbi Kahane ZTL HYD and call him a "[censored]" because he disagreed from some others as well.
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