Author Topic: Hafrada, Rak Hafrada (Separation, Only Separation!)  (Read 4409 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline davkakach

  • Pro JTFer
  • *****
  • Posts: 508
Hafrada, Rak Hafrada (Separation, Only Separation!)
« on: August 24, 2006, 11:57:33 PM »
Hafrada, Rak Hafrada

"Separation, only separation!  That is the only solution!"

This was the fundamental idea that the greatest Jewish leader
of our time, Rabbi Meir Kahane ZT"L (may the blessed memory
of this Tzadik be immortalized), repeated to Israeli and diaspora
Jews, as well as to non-Jews.

A decade-and-a-half after Rabbi Kahane's assassination by a
Saracen beast, his idea is catching on among genuine American
right-wingers ("paleo-conservatives").

One of my favorite authors, Lawrence Auster, whom I consider
a righteous gentile who possesses the attributes of a true
Kahanist---perspicacity, intellectual honesty and courage, writes
in View from the Right:

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/006250.html

IF WE CAN'T DEMOCRATIZE ISLAM, AND WE CAN'T DESTROY IT, THEN WHAT?

Andrew McCarthy’s great statement

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/006230.html

refuting the Bush/neocon Democracy Project raises a deeper question that McCarthy will need to resolve. McCarthy is making two distinct and correct assertions: that Islam is indeed the problem; and that Islam is not just a reaction against American freedom (as the president imagines) but is a coherent belief system with a billion followers, most of whom are passionately devoted to it. This being the case, what is McCarthy’s strategy for the war on Islamic jihadism, a.k.a. the war on Islam? McCarthy says we have to defeat our enemies. Surely McCarthy is not suggesting that we can “defeat”—i.e., subdue and bring under our direct power—the whole of the Islamic world and force them to give up their religion, in the same way that we defeated and destroyed Nazi Germany and uprooted Nazism?

I would suggest that McCarthy is touching on a contradiction in his own thought process that will eventually move him toward the logic I have been enunciating for the last few years:

  • Islam is the problem.
  • However, we do not have the ability to destroy Islam.
  • Nor do we have the ability to democratize Islam.
  • Nor do we have the ability to assimilate Islam.
  • Therefore, the only solution is to separate ourselves from Islam.

This is my rollback, isolate, and contain strategy.
...

This is consistent with a piece that Mr. Auster wrote for
FrontPage Magazine on January 28, 2005:


...

Here again is the Pipes quote that began this whole discussion:

Quote
If one sees Islam as irredeemably evil, what comes next? This approach turns all Muslims—even moderates fleeing the horrors of militant Islam—into eternal enemies. And it leaves one with zero policy options. My approach has the benefit of offering a realistic policy to deal with a major global problem.

Pipes says that the first result of our failing to believe in moderate Islam is that we would see Muslims as our eternal enemies. Yet for the last 1,400 years Muslims have been—as Pipes himself indicates in some of his writings—our very long-term enemies. And it was during those same centuries, when Western civilization viewed Islam as its enemy, that it successfully drove back repeated Islamic invasions and saved itself from conquest and extinction. By contrast, it is only in the modern period, when the West stopped viewing Islam as its enemy (which occurred at the same time that the West stopped being publicly Christian), that it dropped its guard and began admitting the Islamic immigrant masses that now threaten the survival of Europe. So which way is better? To view Muslims as our enemies (which we did for a thousand years and it didn't harm us but saved us), or to view Muslims as our friends (which leads promptly to our own defeat, dhimmitude and ultimate extinction)? If a certain party is our enemy, isn't it better to know that he is our enemy, rather than to imagine that he is not? This is especially the case when the appropriate response to the enemy is simply to build solid walls between us and him, rather than to wage a world war in order to force him to become like ourselves.

...

Summary and conclusion

Two starkly different paths lie before us.

If we pursue the course of ecumenism, we will embark on a decades-long attempt to turn Muslims into moderate Muslims. The endeavor would become the central political project and moral commitment of our society, an obsessive, irrational quest that—like the Oslo "peace" process—we could never permit ourselves to abandon, no matter how many times it had failed. In the process we would empower Islam and lose ourselves.

If we pursue the course of civilizational defense, we will unstring Islam as a global force by decreasing Muslims' presence in the West and containing them within their historic lands. Once the two civilizations are no longer in each other's faces, our freedom and safety will no longer depend on our begging, cajoling, and bribing them to give up their deepest convictions.

Which path is more promising? The path of civilizational realism, in which we recognize Islam as our eternal adversary and act accordingly, or the path of the civilizational peace process, in which we look on a billion Muslims as moderates who have somehow failed so far to realize that they are moderates, but who—we devoutly believe—will somehow discover that they are moderates if we keep trying hard enough to convince them of that fact?
Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil.   --Thomas Mann

Offline NeverMore

  • Senior JTFer
  • ****
  • Posts: 305
  • Glory to the Brave!
Re: Hafrada, Rak Hafrada (Separation, Only Separation!)
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2006, 01:45:18 AM »
davkakach, its actually a very nice summary of the "transfer" idea rabbi Kahane (Zt"l) so wanted to see implemented. you cant be more right than that, i believe, regarding Islam:
Quote
Which path is more promising? The path of civilizational realism, in which we recognize Islam as our eternal adversary and act accordingly, or the path of the civilizational peace process, in which we look on a billion Muslims as moderates who have somehow failed so far to realize that they are moderates, but who—we devoutly believe—will somehow discover that they are moderates if we keep trying hard enough to convince them of that fact?
. perfectly said!

however, who will make transfer? smolmert? bush? hehe, its rather actually funny to think about it. remember, that our (Israeli) government of traitors actually prefers to evict Jews instead of our muslim (most of them nazi) sworn enemies. its more likely that the west will flee the Islam then return the muslims back to their "countries". one day, we will all find ourselves living in isolated communities after fleeing the worldwide spreading islamic disease, as they would soon become the absolute majority in every place they are in, only because their wild birth rate. it seems like thinking logically and rationally is against the principals of the "extreme liberal" ideology the current western (and so sadly, our own Israeli one) governments hold. after giving the Gaza strip and the northen Shomron, they will return the rest of the territories outside the 1967 border line. we will cramp back into these borders only to realize (after about 30-40 years) we have been outnumbered and outplayed once again by the arabs. this process is continual and will never stop, unless people like the Kahanists will get to power in the west, i think thats rather obvious.


Kahane was right!

El Cabong!

  • Guest
Re: Hafrada, Rak Hafrada (Separation, Only Separation!)
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2006, 11:26:42 AM »
Hafrada, Rak Hafrada (Separation, Only Separation!)

Truly you are correct and your post is really great. I myself don't see any other alternative but to shun and ignore and separate us from these evil beasts of islam. But the head-in-the-sand liberals and leftists will want "dialogue", "tolerance", and "assimilation" with these animals.

Offline Shlomo

  • Administrator
  • Silver Star JTF Member
  • *
  • Posts: 5212
  • SAVE ISRAEL!
Re: Hafrada, Rak Hafrada (Separation, Only Separation!)
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2006, 12:50:25 PM »
I'll never understand "tolerance" of intolerance.

Here's what they are actually saying *shaking head*

"We need to have tolerance for their plan to kill us and won't tolerate us."
"We need more dialogue from those who won't have any dialogue with us and call us infidels over and over again"
"We need assimilation with the muslims who refuse to assimilate and prefer third world country status"

What a bunch of communist left-wing bafoons.
"In the final analysis, for the believer there are no questions, and for the non-believer there are no answers." -Chofetz Chaim