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Offline shtetlyid

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Is God merciful?
« on: August 22, 2006, 09:35:11 PM »
Many times it is written in the Torah that G-d uses collective punishment to punish cities (women and children perish). Don't just say that they died because they were wicked. Why does G-d have to kill so many people to make his point (e.g. The Holocaust)?

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Re: Is God merciful?
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2006, 10:46:55 PM »
I believe there are 2 types of God's will:

1. Perfect will
2. Permissive will

God's perfect will is wishing good for every human being ever lived in history but mankind rebelled against God so that He could not exercise His perfect will without compromising His righteousness.

Permissive will is God allows the devil to inflict sickness, natural calmities and genocides.  If human beings pay attention and repent God intervenes and saves them.  Best example Prophet Jonah in the city of Nineveh!  God increasing the life span of King Hezekiah by 15 years. Another example for permissive will in the Bible is the selection of the 1st Israeli King Saul.  God told Prophet Samuel that He did not want Israel to have a King.  But when the Israelis persisted God permitted that.


Isaiah 62:1 -  For Zion's sake I am not silent, And for Jerusalem's sake I do not rest, Till her righteousness go out as brightness, And her salvation, as a torch that burns.

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Re: Is God merciful?
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2006, 12:03:32 AM »
Don't let "[email protected]" fool you... this nazi is just trying to cause trouble - even suggesting that Chaims mother should have had an abortion.

Someone ban this moron, please.
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Re: Is God merciful?
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2006, 12:40:44 AM »
i personally believe that being dead isnt necessarily a bad thing, as far as God concerns, for ones soul, which doesnt die along with the body, but should remain at some other dimension of existence. so, the killing you mentioned shouldnt necessarily be regarded as cruelty of God, but an event in one souls life.


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Re: Is God merciful?
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2006, 02:54:36 AM »
i personally believe that being dead isnt necessarily a bad thing, as far as God concerns, for ones soul, which doesnt die along with the body, but should remain at some other dimension of existence. so, the killing you mentioned shouldnt necessarily be regarded as cruelty of God, but an event in one souls life.

Absolutely... so well put! Most people have no idea what Judaism is all about.

Here's an excellent book on the subject:

Soul Searching (Seeking Scientific Ground For The Jewish Tradition Of An Afterlife) by Yaakov Astor ISBN 1568712499
http://www.feldheim.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=1-56871-249-9&type=store&category=search
or http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1568712499/


I have read this book and it is AMAZING. Totally changed the way I view my existence and I'm a serious skeptic. HIGHLY recommended.

Another really good one is:

If God Is Good, Why Is The World So Bad? by Benjamin Blech ISBN 0757301231
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0757301231/
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Re: Is God merciful?
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2006, 01:18:29 AM »
The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

(Exodus 15: 3)



The Christian conception of the L-rd is different from ours.

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Re: Is God merciful?
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2006, 01:24:54 AM »
"The Christian conception of the L-rd is different from ours."

How so?

wonderfulgoy

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Re: Is God merciful?
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2006, 02:01:17 AM »
"The Christian conception of the L-rd is different from ours."

How so?



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Re: Is G-d merciful?
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2006, 04:23:51 PM »
merciful doesnt mean what many people can (mis)interpret it to be. mercy is combining strict justice and lovingkindness in perfect harmony. yes, things might happen which SEEM, to be negative and bad from G-d, but we should KNOW that everything is for the best, even punishment, just think of a parent hitting a kid in order to teach him/her a lesson, the only problem truly is the kid (us) , not seeing the message in the "bad" and punishment and correecting ourselves,
 
for example- look at the Israeli-arab conflict, G-d keeps sending messages via the terrorists in that the more we try to make the perverted peace procress- which the more soo the terrorist attacks, this is supposed to make people wake up and fullfill the commadment of either (whipping them out or kicking them out, depending on how we hold) , but no soo theirs more, and more and threw this G-d is trying to make the Jewish people wake up and be able to trully think and then repent.
The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

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Re: Is G-d merciful?
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2006, 06:15:00 PM »
The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

(Exodus 15: 3)



The Christian conception of the L-rd is different from ours.
Before making such sweeping statements, try reading "Waking the Dead" by "John Eldredge" (this is a Christian book, intended for a Christian audience, but you have some huge misconceptions about Christianity, and this book deals with those amoung other things.