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Offline MuslimNaziTraitor2007

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Why do Muslims still stone people for Adultery Homosexuality and Sex outside of Marriage but Jews don't ? I know Christians have the New Testament but doesn;t the Torah say that Judaism believes in Stoning does'nt the Law of Moses teach Stoning ? Is it true for a person to be stoned to death in Judaism you must be be given a warning that you will be killed or get capital punishment for your crime before you do it and it must be known that you are going to do this and there must be witnessess ? Do Jews not give capital punishment because there is no Temple in Jerusalem and because the Messiah has not come yet ? Does Judaism require Stoning for Adultery Homosexuality and Sex outside of Marriage today ? Correct me if Im wrong but did'nt King David commit Adultery according to the Tanakh if true why was he not stoned ?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_capital_punishment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_and_corporal_punishment_in_Judaism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_capital_crimes_in_the_Torah

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 Really? You better be ignorant!
Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the horn, and the people be not warned, and the sword do come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

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No it doesn't require it. It is the maximal punishment that can only be carried away while by Sanhedrin (the highest Jewish authority which has been disbanded for almost 2000 years). And even in the times there was Sanhedrin, it was very rare if ever happened at all. It is told that for the Sanhedrin to execute a man for any offense was a very rare event so much so that if it happened twice within 70 years the Sanhedrin was known as deadly.

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I answered the question about King David a couple of years ago in Ask Muman thread...

Here is a link to that discussion...

http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,25101.msg509978.html#msg509978

Here is an Aish article explaining how the Jewish sages viewed the behavior of the great King David, who did not sin despite the appearance of such...

http://www.aish.com/jl/h/48936837.html

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DAVID AND BATHSHEBA

The story of David's relationship with Bathsheba (II Samuel Chap. 11) is one of the most misread stories in the Bible, and we have to be careful in reading it as if it were some kind of soap opera. In summary, however, this is what happens.

Restless one night, David is pacing the roof of his palace from where he has a view of the homes and gardens in the city below(3). And there he spies a beautiful woman bathing. She is the wife of one of his generals, Uriah, the Hittite, who is away at war.

David sends for Bathsheba and spends the night with her. When she becomes pregnant, he commands that Uriah be placed on the front lines, where he dies in battle. David then marries Bathsheba.

At this point, the prophet Nathan is sent by G-d to reprove David. (See 2 Samuel 12.) He says that he has come to inform the king of a great injustice in the land. A rich man with many sheep, stole the one beloved sheep of a poor man, and had it slaughtered for a feast.

Furious at what he hears, King David, declares, "As G-d lives, the one who has done this deserves death."

Responds the prophet, "You are that man!"

David is humbled. "I have sinned before G-d," he says.

This is an enormously complex story and there is much more here than meets the eye. Technically, Bathsheba was not a married woman since David's troops always gave their wives conditional divorces, lest a soldier be missing in action leaving his wife unable to remarry.(4) However, the Bible states clearly that David acted improperly, and the Sages explain that while David did not commit adultery in the literal sense, he violated the spirit of the law(5).

As noted in earlier installments, the Bible takes a hyper-critical position of Jewish leaders. It never whitewashes anyone's past, and in that it stands alone among the records of ancient peoples which usually describe kings as descendants of gods without faults.

David's greatness shines in both his ability to take responsibility for his actions and the humility of his admission and the repentance that follows. This is part of the reason that the ultimate redeemer of the Jewish people and the world will descend from David's line -- he will be "Messiah son of David."

Shortly thereafter, Bathsheba gives birth, but the child becomes deathly ill as the prophet Nathan had predicted. David goes into a period of prayer and fasting, but the child dies nevertheless. David realizes that the death of the baby and later the revolt of his beloved son, Absalom (II Samuel 15-19), were divine punishment and also served as atonement for his actions. David "pays his dues," repents for many years and is ultimately forgiven by G-d.

Before long Bathsheba is pregnant again. And this time, she bears a healthy child -- who is named Solomon, and who will be the golden child, gifted with unusual wisdom.
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Regarding the application of the death penalty. Indeed the Torah proscribes death for certain sins. Without the legal body the Sanhedrin such sentences cannot be carried out. As several others have already pointed out, when Torah law was the law of the land very few people were executed. Only one person was executed every 70 years, otherwise it was considered a cruel court. Without an understanding of how the Jewish Kingdom worked it is futile to try to compare it to todays society.

It is clear that when Moshiach arrives we will re-institute the Sanhedrin and all Jews will behave in a righteous manner, out of love and fear of offending their G-d.

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Why do Muslims still stone people for Adultery Homosexuality and Sex outside of Marriage but Jews don't ? I know Christians have the New Testament but doesn;t the Torah say that Judaism believes in Stoning does'nt the Law of Moses teach Stoning ? Is it true for a person to be stoned to death in Judaism you must be be given a warning that you will be killed or get capital punishment for your crime before you do it and it must be known that you are going to do this and there must be witnessess ? Do Jews not give capital punishment because there is no Temple in Jerusalem and because the Messiah has not come yet ? Does Judaism require Stoning for Adultery Homosexuality and Sex outside of Marriage today ? Correct me if Im wrong but did'nt King David commit Adultery according to the Tanakh if true why was he not stoned ?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_capital_punishment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_and_corporal_punishment_in_Judaism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_capital_crimes_in_the_Torah

David didn't commit adultery. It's a HIGHLY misconceived idea that he did. Jews don't have capital punishments or anything like that today. There's much more than meets the eye. Don't go wikipedia-ing it. Better to ask an Orhtodox Rabbi.

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Adultery, Homosexuality- possibility although very rare. Also with adultery their was a whole procedure of the Sotah where she drinks the waters if she does not confess on her own. Also possibly with witnesses but again to actually be put to death was a rare occasion for all of the sins combined.

Sex outside of Marriage- No death penalty although not allowed. Some punishments can be given though (for example the man having to marry her and some other such things).
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Sex outside of Marriage- No death penalty although not allowed. Some punishments can be given though (for example the man having to marry her and some other such things).
See Igrot Moshe, Even Haezer, Vol. I, siman 101. Based on this, it seems that you would have to modify your statement that in general a man would have to marry her.
I will leave it to someone else to draw the border line.

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For the record Male Homosexuality under the very rare conditions that every one talked about above could be punished by stoning. Women who were unfaithful to their husbands, as well as the man that sinned with the married woman, faced a different type of death penalty.
People, who were sentenced to death by stoning, were usually killed by throwing then down from a high place. Only if they survived the fall, were they finished off by a stone or stones.
Concerning King David. The majority of rabbis do not believe he was guilty of adultery but rather a different sin. But even those that held it was adultery, hold that not all the legal requirements were in place, in order for the court to give him the death penalty.

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The original poster on this topic was banned because he was a muslim Jew hater.
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14