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Tag-MehirTzedek:
In hosea 9 ו כִּי-הִנֵּה הָלְכוּ מִשֹּׁד, מִצְרַיִם תְּקַבְּצֵם מֹף תְּקַבְּרֵם; מַחְמַד לְכַסְפָּם, קִמּוֹשׂ יִירָשֵׁם, חוֹחַ, בְּאָהֳלֵיהֶם.   6
For, lo, they are gone away from destruction, yet Egypt shall gather them up, Memphis shall bury them muhammad shall take their precious treasures of silver, nettles shall possess them, thorns shall be in their tents.

-as you see the word'' מַחְמַד''''is saying muhammad will wage war on Israel.

Read the verse after it in hisea:9-ז בָּאוּ יְמֵי הַפְּקֻדָּה, בָּאוּ יְמֵי הַשִּׁלֻּם--יֵדְעוּ, יִשְׂרָאֵל; אֱוִיל הַנָּבִיא, מְשֻׁגָּע אִישׁ הָרוּחַ--עַל רֹב עֲו‍ֹנְךָ, וְרַבָּה מַשְׂטֵמָה.   7 The days of visitation are come, the days of recompense are come, Israel shall know it. The prophet is a FOOL, the man of the spirit is CRAZY! For the multitude of thine iniquity, the enmity is great.

-the bible is here saying muhammad will wage war on israel,and that he is a crazy fool.



http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1309.htm

Tag-MehirTzedek:
Maimonides in his Letter to Yemeni jews(Iggeret Teiman),mentioned it.Letter to Yemen"1:4.Let Ye understand, my brothers, the Holy One Blessed HE through the trap created by our iniquities cast us amongst this nation, the people of Ishmael [Muslim Arabs] whose oppressiveness is firmly upon us and they connive to do us wrong and despicably downgrade us as the Almighty decreed against us (Deuteronomy 32:31, "Your enemies shall judge you"). There never came against Israel a more antagonistic nation.
 
 They oppress us with the most oppressive measures to lessen our number, reduce us, and make us as despicable as they themselves are.King David, may he rest in peace, saw through Divine Inspiration all the calamities that were destined to come upon Israel. Nevertheless [even though he saw all the other troubles], he still began to shout out and lament in the name of the whole nation against the oppression that would be occasioned by the Ishmaelites.

muman613:
There is no doubt that the Torah contains hints at all of history. That Ishmael and Essau both set themselves as enemies to the Jewish people is a part of Hashems divine plan. Each will play his part in this plan in order to make the Jewish nation wake up and realize our mission to bring Hashem consciousness into this world.

Ishmael himself was called a 'wild donkey' of a man, who would always be a thorn in the side of Yitzak and his descendants. Ishmael is also a part of Amalek and thus the extreme Jew hatred which comes from the arabs and the european nazi's makes absolute sense. These people exhibit the traits of their forefathers, who were wicked men.

Is it not in the ten commandments concerning how Hashem deals with nations?

2 ... You shall not bow down to them, nor serve them, for I the L‑rd your G‑d am a jealous G‑d, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate Me, and showing mercy to the thousandth generation of those who love Me and keep my commandments.

What Ishmael believes in islam is that his bloody thirst for violence is an avodah (service) of Allah. Islam provides Ishmael with a 'Holy' expression of his blood lust. Killing in the name of G-d is the ultimate sacrifice for these Ishmaelites. The Koran glorifies the violence in order to intimidate and suppress the traits which G-d truly imbued humanity with which make life beautiful. Judaism is the stark opposite which sees value in each and every human life, and exceptional worth in every Jewish life. We have no desire to force Judaism on the nations, as it will be evident that service of Hashem through lovingly accepting his commandments is the preferred service of G-d.

Kahane-Was-Right BT:
I'm pretty sure that in the letter to Yemen, Rambam writes that there is absolutely no reference to muhammad in the Bible.  (Nor yashke for that matter)

Tag-MehirTzedek:

--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on August 07, 2012, 10:39:20 PM ---I'm pretty sure that in the letter to Yemen, Rambam writes that there is absolutely no reference to muhammad in the Bible.  (Nor yashke for that matter)

--- End quote ---

 ( I don't know for sure and I need to see this) but I think he meant in their claims to be either prophet or Messiah etc.  In those cases of course they have no validity according to the Rambam or the sages, but I do see Mooslims trying to make claims that Mo is in the Torah, and I see and say yes he is but not when talking about as a true "prophet", but as a navi sheker and a fool. Just read the first post and both the Hebrew and English translation. It is talking about a false prophet, a fool who will plunder Israel. And it says his name- Mohammed. מַחְמַד ( I know you can read Hebrew). Soo why not take it as it is and see it referring to Mohammed. What isn't clear about that?

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