LKZ,
Once again you have lost me... Yesterday you seemed to make a lot more sense... But today you are just expressing what appears to me to be an 'If it feels good, do it" attitude. You also imply that man-woman relationships are equal to animal relationships. Jewish belief is that a Jewish man and a Jewish woman have a special relationship, called marriage, which the animals cannot ever have. Our relationship is above the physical attraction while animals are mostly involved for specific reasons {pro-creating, pleasure, etc.}.
There is most certainly something wrong with a married man looking at women who are not his wife. This is the real root of all the prohibitions of men looking at other women, that it basically ruins the primary relationship with the wife. I know that this is practical wisdom. I have seen relationships fall apart due to jealousy of a wife for the women that a man works with or used to hang out with. I have seen relationships destroyed because a man was looking at too much internet smut.... I know that the Torah is teaching us these lessons in order to benefit us, not to restrict or constrain us.
My advice to you is to look into the commentaries on the Talmud {and there are volumes and volumes of such material} which concern the man-woman relationship. Modesty is intended to make the attraction of the man much greater for his wife...
Indeed. Nobody needs dating and attraction skills when you're married, because you're married. You can have modesty and let it out in private, which is perfect. Also, rape might feel good, but that statement has nothing to do with what I said. If it doesn't hurt anyone, do it. If you can't make it though a beach without turning your noggin into a porn studio, be stronger.
Yes marriage is unique. Some animals mate for life, but this completeness and oneness with both each other and G-d is unique. However, every animal has a "mating ritual" to show and garner attraction which would come before life-long mating, or the level 10 in our case, marriage. This does not involve looking down when they wear clothes to facilitate this ritual, or walking the other way. Not that its necessarily bad to do that, just you won't ever have the person you do that to as a wife, that you can have good reason to be modest after you marry.
Also, I could care less what my girlfriends think when I look at another girl. Judaism didn't start the monogamy poop. It was introduced by cruel dictators that wanted to have more wives, and globally expanded by the apostle Paul, for an unidentifiable reason that I really can't see has anything to do with love. More love is better. I can multiple love people completely. Its like the glasses thing, if you can't learn to give all of yourself and learn to love two people completely, don't do something to stop it, become more loving. As for porn, its a poor crutch to replace more women, but regardless of whether or not I understand it, if you actually need that when you're married, the romance is over, get a get.
Internet link for the man-woman relationship thing? I'd love to read up on it.
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