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Zelhar:
You can see there are stories, agadtot in the Gmara that the Tanaim and Amoraim, of sages practicing magic, and there is discussion about mystical world of demons and angels and magical creatures.
So, you can't say the Kabbalah is based on nothing from Judaism. But I think that while the Gmara simply uses sometimes these agadtot as example and allegory to halachic principles, Kabbalah has become for some a source of ruling halacha which is wrong, Jews are not supposed to learn halacha from external sources let alone from kookoo ones.
Zelhar:
However it seems there is a tradition of magic and mysticism since before the exile. So, it seems that this sort of things were at least tolerated by the Sanhedrin.
Zelhar:
I also think that Judaism would be better off without any of that kabbalah magic and witchcraft, especially of the recent generation when instead of being a hidden secrete it became popular and open. But the thing that we really should avoid is internal wars over this. And I don't think you can get a single lubavitcher to abandon the tanya and the mysticism by attacking his belief with ridicule and contempt, it will only create strife.
Ephraim Ben Noach:
I want to make clear to some of you , that I’m not psychic and not a prophet! Or a witch! I don’t know if some of you think this from some of my posts. A lot of the time I am joking around! If some of you wonder how I can guess things its because I pay attention to what the trolls say, and how they say it!
I would like to add, modern day Kabbalah has been turned in to a joke! It should be kept a secret! These people use it for there own personal gain! And it does not take much to use it for evil!
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: muman613 on August 20, 2012, 10:49:08 PM ---Dan, you are a neo-phyte and you attempt to speak like a Talmid Chocham.... I really have little respect for such an inflated ego. You can follow whatever cochamamie rabbi you like but just don't go around claiming he is THE ONLY truth....
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I was reading this thread last night and then when I went to go look up neophyte in the dictionary, I actually fell asleep. A day later, I have a better vocabulary.
--- Quote ---You are not even a Noachide and already you have some screwed-up beliefs. Thank G-d you are not a Jew!
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These are really awful things to say about someone. How can you, without basis, say "you are not even a Noahide" to a non-Jew? Is that not evil speech?
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