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Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: her majesty on November 30, 2012, 11:06:15 AM ---So in other words it's not a commandment from G-d that you can't be with a non jew..but it's a commandment from G-d that you can't marry one? Is that correct?
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NO. You cannot be with a non-Jew either way. Just the degree of punishment and severity differ. If just for once or something (like a prostitute) get whipping, if as a relationship and as marriage the punishment is much worse (I believe its Karet).
muman613:
--- Quote from: her majesty on November 30, 2012, 11:46:41 AM ---I have no idea what karet is but it sounds bad...However the halacha i recounted in chapter 12 are very clear that the punishment for relations within a marraige with a non jew is lashes which is scriptural. The punishment for relations with a non jew out of marraige is lashes but thats from the rabbis not G-d.unless the information is incomplete? I have yet to meet a rabbi worthy of my reverence so no offense but the rabbinical punishments and prohibitions are uninteresting to me...G-d gave me His commandments and until Moses is here i don't have any concern for the rabbinical commandments as these are just men .
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The Torah commands us to honor the Torah sages, judges and rabbis. The oral law was given at Sinai and is just as binding as the written law. You are practicing a religion which is not Judaism but more like Samaratan and by Jewish law you would seem to fall under the category of denier of Torah. I am not saying this to be mean but you cannot pick and choose what laws to keep, this is the error of reform judaism.
See also : http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/710395/Rabbi_Daniel%20Z._Feldman/The%20Power%20of%20the%20Rabbis%20to%20Override%20Torah%20Law%20(Yesh%20Koach%20B%E2%80%99Y%E2%80%99dei%20Chachamim%20L%E2%80%99Akor%20Davar%20Min%20HaTorah%20B%E2%80%99Shev%20V%E2%80%99Al%20Ta%E2%80%99aseh)
Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: her majesty on November 30, 2012, 11:46:41 AM ---I have no idea what karet is but it sounds bad...However the halacha i recounted in chapter 12 are very clear that the punishment for relations within a marraige with a non jew is lashes which is scriptural. The punishment for relations with a non jew out of marraige is lashes but thats from the rabbis not G-d.unless the information is incomplete? I have yet to meet a rabbi worthy of my reverence so no offense but the rabbinical punishments and prohibitions are uninteresting to me...G-d gave me His commandments and until Moses is here i don't have any concern for the rabbinical commandments as these are just men .*Just looked up karet meaning and found (elsewhere) that the mishna kerithoth1:1 states the 36 sins punishable by kareth and none of them are relations with a non jew.
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You said you were MARRIED to a goy. Now that is certainly from G-D. We were talking about someone who just had casual $%^ with a non-Jew. For that it is Rabbinic and the person gets lashes. their are even examples where such a person was sometimes even killed- even example in the Torah- for example Zimri with the Moabite princess. Pinchas killed both of them and G-D praised his for it. This was during the time of Moses.
And about the separate issue of Rabbinic court law- the court was made during the time of Moses himself. It is a commandment from the Torah to listen to the judges (of the Sanhedrin) and to what they established.
In either case your "marriage" to a goy is by Deorita (Torah or directly G-D's law).
Tag-MehirTzedek:
No one is telling you to listen to any Rabbi you met. But this was done by the great Sanhedrin which included Prophets and was made by the court of Moses.
Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: her majesty on November 30, 2012, 02:30:48 PM ---I'm not, not posting any longer because i don't like or believe that this is from the oral law......i did not know that and asked previously many times if it was from the Talmud. The reason i won't post again or have regard for what any of you have said is i don't appreciate being called a reform jew or that i'm not practicing judaism. There is a way to speak and a way not to speak to someone and apparantly none of you have mastered the art of gentleness which is apparantly because you're all too full of yourselves which is funny because you're so far beneath me. You are nothing more than a bunch of arrogant [censored] with the ability to read and recite Torah. You apparantly have mistaken my kindness for weakness which i can assure you it is not and i would never speak that way to anyone i was trying to teach Torah to. do not address me again.
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I was kind and told you the answers to your questions. Because the answers perhaps do not suit your conscious does not mean you should try to attack me or others. Personally I do not take offense nor care. I was answering your question with the answers that the Torah gives. No need to shoot the messenger(s).
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