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I will start the ball rolling with
http://www.amazon.com/Not-Chance-Shattering-Modern-Evolution/dp/1880582244
I hope others will add to the list
I will quote from the reviews on the above link:
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Each new revelation in genetic research, no matter how bizarre and unforeseen, can be construed as a ringing confirmation of the theory of evolution, or so evolutionary biologists would have us believe. With this book, Dr. Lee Spetner risks the wrath of the evolution establishment by challenging the validity of the neo-Darwinian theory, or "dogma" as he calls it. Evolutionists assume that the observed ability of organisms like finches and bacteria to adapt to altered environments is clear proof of the NDT, which holds that random mutations in the DNA molecule are a prime factor in these adaptations. But this inference is negated by compelling new evidence at every level of biology according to Spetner, whose credentials include an MIT doctorate in physics, expertise in molecular biology, and published papers on biology in prestigious scientific journals. Numerous experiments are cited indicating many of these survival modifications are linked to a particular class of nonrandom mutations responding on cue to specific changes in the environment. A given external stimulus will trigger the same chain reaction of hormone-induced DNA mutations every time, yielding an identical adaptive response.
Spetner claims research findings like these which don't fit approved doctrine are simply ignored by evolutionary biologists. That charge is echoed with gusto by renowned biologist Lynn Margulis, who issues scathing denunciations of their obscurantist tactics in "Slanted Truths." She believes the "stranglehold" of the Darwinian "religious movement" can only be broken by a rational counter-force from outside the fold. Spetner's authoritative book is an ideal instrument for this deliverance. Critics of the NDT will savor the hard-science rigor of molecular arguments adduced against a theory they believe is largely based on speculative just-so stories.

In a historical overview, the author reminds us that when the so-called synthetic theory was first crafted fifty years ago, DNA had yet to be discovered. Darwin himself was blissfully ignorant of the functions and structure of the cell. We now know that mammals are composed of trillions of cells, each containing an information-packed DNA molecule and hundreds of interacting organelles. It is therefore not unreasonable to ask: What if Darwin's quaint theory were advanced today for the first time? The proposal that a clumsy hypothetical mechanism modeled on eighteenth century economic theories and pigeon breeding practices could possibly account for the origins of EVERY SINGLE ELEMENT in the incredibly complex universe of microbiology unfolding before our eyes would be laughable. The hodgepodge theory of evolution has become a religious faith so deeply ingrained in its adherents they appear oblivious to its absurdities. This book relates how stunning advances in biotechnology in just the past two decades have dramatically widened the gulf separating the realities of empirical science from the myths of neo-Darwinism.

A number of these myths are spun in "The Blind Watchmaker" by one of evolution's high priests, zoologist Richard Dawkins. Spetner searched this work for traces of solid science and found mainly false assumptions and technical inaccuracies instead. He notes that, "like many passionate believers, Dawkins did not examine his evidence critically." Indeed, his vaunted cumulative selection thesis is riddled with unfounded assumptions. He built his case for it entirely on the power of the concept, with not one word of proof. His biomorph and lexical computer simulations are demonstrated not to represent natural selection as his uncritical disciples may believe, only artificial selection, as in pigeon breeding.

The author's diversified background, which also includes lectureships in information theory and communication theory at Johns Hopkins University, enables him to speak expertly on a host of technical issues surrounding this subject. Laymen who've fallen behind the dazzling pace of microbiology will be intrigued by his lucid account of the counter-intuitive adaptive strategies in Nature's arsenal. The architecture and mechanisms of the DNA molecule are examined in depth, introducing lay readers to a host of basic concepts like introns, transitrons, point mutations, mutation rates, genetic information and heritable genetic switches. This potent brew is spiced with liberal doses of humorous asides and amusing anecdotes.

It should be noted that Spetner's work is narrowly focused on the purely secular, scientific aspects of his topic. It rarely strays into the domains of metaphysics or theology. Amazon reviewers of this book who parrot mindless shibboleths about creationism and gods of the gap as they did with Michael Behe's ground-breaking "Darwin's Black Box " will clearly establish they either didn't read the book or have been hopelessly brainwashed in orthodox biology classes.

To appreciate the extent of evolutionists' distortions in the classroom, one has only to browse through a current biology textbook after reading Spetner. To cite one case, he has found thousands of examples of convergence, or parallel evolution, buried in the literature, so one might assume they are a significant fact of biological life. He demonstrates mathematically the impossibly long odds against these uncanny near-identities of features in unrelated species, like wings in birds and bats, being evolved by any feat of natural selection. Evidently academic biologists prefer not to dispute this conclusion. A typical nationally distributed college text, "Biology " by N.A. Campbell, contains 1200 pages saturated with evolution mythology, but just one short paragraph on convergence. An equally inextricable companion phenomenon, mimicry, is completely ignored. Other slanted omissions and distortions abound.

Spetner's definitive treatise on what many consider an extremely important issue deserves a much wider audience than it presently commands. Whereas the shelf space afforded the evolutionist tomes of Dawkins and Steven J. Gould in the mega book stores Barnes & Noble and Borders is measured in linear feet, "Not by Chance" is nowhere in sight, not even in inventory. These giant outlets are rapidly driving out alternative book sellers. The inability of an author of Spetner's stature to address a substantial segment of the population that would be sympathetic to his message amounts to de facto censorship by a quasi-monopolistic distribution system. Although most of them will never have the opportunity, avid evolutionists would find this slender volume an eye-opening read.
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This books puts Neo-Darwinian Theory under the microscope of a rigorous quantitative critique. As the author points out, where facts and figures are important non-quantitative arguments can mislead. "Clever debaters have long shown that they can make even the weakest case look strong."
Spetner quotes Fisher's conclusion based on the latter's quantitative work in population genetics: "A mutation, even if favourable, will have only a very small chance of establishing itself in the species if it occurs once only." In other words many favourable mutations which occur in individuals never get passed on to their populations. This is contrary to the assumption of Darwin, Dawkins and Dobzhansky. This problem is of course much more acute for small isolated populations.

Using numerical data provided by evolutionary paleontologists from their study of horse evolution, Spetner computed one small evolutionary step to require about 50 million births. Ledyard Stebbins estimated that it takes 500 such steps to generate a new species. Assume each of these steps consists of establishing a single transcription error (the most trivial mutation available) in the population. Suppose only one in every million species needs to be successfully generated for NDT to work. Spetner calculated that it would require at least a million adaptive transciption errors. This does not take into account the fact that macro-evolution demands mutations which are not just adaptive, but which also contain novel information. This is a demand that evolutionists prefer not to discuss, as apparently not even a single such mutation is known to exist.

It is extremely unlikely that a population's genome contains so much potential for adaptive errors, let alone information-enhancing ones. But Spetner goes on to demonstrate quantitatively that if there were, then they would provide such an enormous number of potential evolutionary paths as to rule out the possibility of convergent and parallel evolution, which are a major feature of NDT. So either way, NDT loses.

Richard Dawkins' famous computer simulations come under scrutiny. They are doubtless clever, and fun to play with, but have little to do with the real world of biology. The `weasel' program is deterministic, not stochastic. Moreover, good mutations invariably get established in the population, and are frozen, the mutation rate is far too high, and the `genome' has far too few symbols. The same calculation mentioned earlier that shows speciation cannot happen under NDT also shows that the `weasel' algorithm will succeed in a relatively few trials. But "If he had run a more realistic simulation he would have been at his computer for a long time."

The `biomorphs' program is equally irrelevant to the biology of the real world. Selection is artificial, based on the selector's whim with no predefined criteria; at any stage any mutation could be chosen as adaptive; there are no lethal mutations and hence no limit on the mutation rate. "Because of the way it's built, the simulation sidesteps the reason evolution doesn't work in real life."

Spetner agrees with the `tachys' that the evolution that is observed to occur, i.e. micro-evolution, is effected by the action of recombination on regulatory genes, but he argues that these mechanisms require far too much precision and therefore micro-evolutionary changes cannot be random.

One very important basic fact is that mutations are known to cause loss of information, while macro-evolution demands gain in information. "Just like a fortune can't be made by losing money, evolution can't build up information by losing it. Moreover before you can lose money, or information, you first have to make it." This is a problem that NDT advocates must honestly address.

Evolutionists often make the bland assertion that a 5 billion year earth provides plenty of time for even for the most improbable events to occur. In doing so they often pull the wool over their own eyes. As an example, Richard Dawkins (The Blind Watchmaker) asserts that a hypothetical alien with a lifespan of 100 million years would not be surprised to be dealt an occasional perfect hand at bridge. He will "scarcely trouble to write home about it when it happens." This is an example of how a non-quantitative argument can mislead. Spetner assumed that this hypothetical alien played 100 bridge hands every day of his life! Even so the probability of his ever getting a perfect hand comes to less than two in a thousand million million! Anyone with a basic knowledge of probability theory can verify Spetner's result.

The ICR newsletter Acts & Facts (June 1999) relates the following incident:

One student related a recent incident when her teacher challenged the class: "If your car breaks down, could you open the hood, step back 20 feet, throw a wrench at the engine, and fix your car? No. But what if you threw the wrench one million times. Chances are you'd fix it."

This is the kind of absurdity evolutionary thinking generates! That a treatise as specious as The Blind Watchmaker can be embraced with so much uncritical enthusiasm is symptomatic of such mental aberration.

Needless to say there is far more to the book, and this review is only able to give a flavour of what is in store for the reader. You have to read the book itself to appreciate the full force of the arguments.

Diehard evolutionists usually react to serious challenges to their cherished theory in two ways: ad hominem attacks on the challenger, and the hand-waving technique. However, intellectual integrity requires them to provide a detailed and rigorous scientific response to those challenges.




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Re: Links to Reasonable Scientific Arguments against Darwinian Evolution
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2012, 04:34:42 PM »
Evolutionary theory makes me ashamed to work in the field science... (Computer Science that is)..


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Re: Links to Reasonable Scientific Arguments against Darwinian Evolution
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2012, 04:44:02 PM »
Here is a good 'basic' discussion of the topic... From the same site which provided a good analysis of the question of electricity on Shabbat...



http://www.daat.ac.il/daat/kitveyet/assia_english/halperin2.htm

THE LAWS OF EVOLUTION AND JUDAISM

Lack Of Communication
Rabbi Mordechai Halperin M.D.
Director, the Dr. Falk Schlesinger Institute for Medical-Halachic Research Director, Jerusalem Medical Center for Impotence and Fertility

From: ASSIA, February 2001

The word "evolution" arouses strong and conflicting feelings among different groups of people. Religious people are reminded by this term of the endless struggles that the nineteenth-century scientists conducted against the Catholic Church. Scientists who had at that time been freed from the oppression of the Church fought bitterly against any religious faith, as a reaction against the restrictions that the Church had imposed on scientific thought for many centuries. The burning of Giordano Bruno at the stake in 1600 and the bringing of Galileo Galilei before the Inquisition in the sixteen-thirties together with his quiet muttering "but it will nonetheless move", became essential parts of the anti-religious creed of the nineteenth-century scientists. Darwin's theory of the origin of species', making use of the laws of evolution, became a prominent component of the banner of Liberation from the Yoke of the Church, and to many it represented the antithesis of religious belief.

To secularists the word evolution brings to mind similar associations from the other side. To many, "evolution" was understood to be a scientific alternative to belief in the Creator. Many people, especially those not closely familiar with scientific research and its principles, see in the Theory of Evolution a scientific proof of the absence of divine creation and of the natural development of man from monkey (or more strictly both from a common ancestor), which developed from lower creatures which in turn developed from a primordial biological cell that came into being by accident as a result of physical and chemical occurrences at some very early time.

Unfortunately, many people fail to appreciate and understand scientific methods. Confusion of terms is common. So too is an inability to distinguish between a theory or assumption and conclusions drawn from controlled experiments. It is no wonder that at times one listens to a "dialogue among the deaf" on evolution, a dialogue based on lack of information and of scientific understanding on both sides. It is now time to clarify the scientific terms, and to differentiate between laws of nature that can be scientifically proved and extrapolative theories which serve as a pivot of faith to sworn atheists although they lack a scientific proof.

The Emotional Problem

Man is an emotional, observant and thinking creature. Observation of his surroundings arouses questions already in childhood. Every child who sees an impressive building asks his parents "Who built this building?" Likewise, everyone passes through a stage in his life when he asks "Who created this world?" This latter question has no immediate implication, as opposed to questions concerning the characteristics of our world. Information on the characteristics of the world and the laws under which it operates enable us to develop technology and make use of the results as we wish. By contrast, an answer to the question "Who created this world" will make no direct difference to our conditions of life. There is simply a deep emotional need to know the answer, a need that already exists in childhood. Its practical effect focuses only on the personal conclusions regarding the place of a person in his world and on his personal attitude to religious faith.

In the distant past two conflicting answers were already given to the question "Who created this world?" Aristotle, who in this instance represents the Greek philosophers, believed in the (past) eternity of the world. In his opinion the world has existed with its laws of nature since all eternity. In simple terms, the world has always existed. This theory is based on the assumption of or belief in the absence of a creator, and conversely the absence of a creator demands as a corollary the eternity of the world.

Against the Aristotelian theory, the religious answer to the fundamental question "`Who created this world?" is based on the opposite belief - that there is a creator. The world is comparatively young; it underwent a creation process by the Creator.

Each theory contains an element that is beyond human conception. The Aristotelian, that the world goes back to all eternity, incorporates the concept of infinity which is far from ordinary human conception, even though it can be defined in mathematical philosophy. The religious approach on the other hand contains the faith in a Creator, whose very nature is beyond human conception. In the words of Maimonides (Laws of Repentance, end of Chapter 5): "Man has not the power to discover the true nature of the Creator, as it is written For no man will see me and live (Ex. 33:20)."

The Second Law of Thermodynamics

The nineteenth-century secular scientists, who on being freed from oppression by the Church rejected any connection with the Church or with any religion, had an interesting attitude. They rejected out of hand any scientific explanation that might affect their faith in the eternity of the world. In his fascinating book Between Science and Religion (in Hebrew,: publ.: Joshua Chechik, Tel Aviv, 1965), Professor Chernievsky describes two fundamental scientific principles that are today accepted without dispute, but which were rejected for many years by the nineteenth-century scientific community because of the "danger" that accepting them might cast doubts on the holy principle of the eternity of the world and the absence of a creator. These two principles were the Principle of Least Action and the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

The Second Law of Thermodynamics was born in the mind of a French engineer named Sadi Carnot (1796-1832) at the end of the first quarter of the nineteenth century. The principle, as translated by Ludwig Boltzmann into popular language, determines that in natural processes the amount of disorder in a closed system increases all the time. The physicist Rudolf Clausius (1822-1888) gave the law a clear and precise mathematical expression when he introduced a new quantitative term into science which he called "entropy." This quantity has a special peculiarity: in all natural processes in a closed system its numerical value can only increase, or more precisely, it never decreases. In other words, in nature there is asymmetry with respect to time, events are uni-directional. The world develops in such a way that its entropy is always increasing.

Asimov describes this graphically1:

Another way of expressing the Second Law of Thermodynamics is that the Universe is progressing all the time towards chaos. In this way we can see the realisation of the Second Law wherever we turn. We have to invest a lot of hard work in tidying the house. Leave the room alone and see how quickly neglect increases. Even if no living creature enters it, a layer of dust and filth accumulates. Consider how much work is needed in maintaining the house, and in maintaining machinery, how much treatment we have to apply to our bodies that we should remain clean. In fact everything deteriorates and wears away if we do not apply proper treatment and care.

Two conclusions follow from this Law. First, that an imaginary journey backwards in time will eventually bring us to a time when entropy was a minimum. Before this time no processes were possible, a strong blow against those who believed in the eternity of the world. Second, that the world as a closed system is progressing towards a state of maximum entropy, with complete chaos, a state that could be described as "the death of the world." This implication of the entropy principle led many in the nineteenth century to reject it on metaphysical grounds. In the twentieth century, after Western science had freed itself from the struggle against the Church, the Second Law of Thermodynamics became one of the corner-stones of exact science.

The Big Bang

The theory of the eternity of the world Theory received many blows in the last century. A vast amount of scientific evidence indicates the rapid recession of the galaxies and the physical spreading of all material in the universe outwards from its center. All this evidence points to an early point in time when all the material in the universe was concentrated at one spot, from which it started to spread out into space. This and other evidence led physicists to assume the existence of a Big Bang, a mighty explosion of energy in the distant past, at the time when the universe began to develop and spread out into space from one small point in its vast dimensions.

To say the least, these theories do not suppport the assumption of the eternity of the world. However, as in the past so today there are scientists who zealously uphold their belief in the Eternity Theory, and who have thereby been forced to develop "spring theories" in which everything spreads out and then springs back into place. There is no scientific basis for any of these theories, merely a need to reconcile scientific discoveries with their belief in the eternity of the world. In practice, many leading scientists today reject Aristotle's theory from a scientific standpoint.

How Was Man Created?

Rejecting belief in the eternity of the world poses a very difficult and sensitive problem to those scientists who "believe" in the absence of a creator: `How was man created?'.
The theory of the Origin of Species was formed to overcome such difficulties by applying the Laws of Evolution. The source of the theory goes as far back in history as ancient Greece, but it was rejuvenated in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, when it enabled European scientists freed from oppression by the Church to live with an explanation of the existence of life in the world.

The conceptual basis of the theory was supplied by fossils in early geological layers. The earliest creatures, which are also the simplest in structure, are generally found in the oldest layers. The oldest fossils discovered were single-celled creatures. In later layers there were algae and simple multiple-celled creatures. Still later appeared molluscs and creatures with legs, followed by insects and amphibia, then reptiles, birds and finally mammals. The order of the discoveries of living creatures from simple to complex led to a further assumption: not only did the complex creatures appear later in time than the simpler ones, but they are assumed to be derived and developed from the simpler ones who are their ancestors. To explain the mechanism that was claimed to have enabled this radical change to occur, the Darwinists and Neo-Darwinists used the Laws of Evolution.

The Laws of Evolution

For our discussion we first need to define the Laws of Evolution. These are laws of nature that explain changes in the characteristics of living organisms over a long period.
Examples of these changes are found in many areas. In the course of time bacteria that are initially sensitive to a specific antibiotic medicine develop immunity. The expression "changes in nature" is known to all familiar with halakhic (Jewish Law) literature, and is an example of the wider variety of changes in organisms over a long period.

Darwin coined the expression "natural selection" as a basic mechanism for evolutionary changes. The theory of Natural Selection states that all varieties reproduce more than is required to maintain the species in a world in which there is a cruel competitive struggle for survival, and most of those born are destroyed. There are small differences in the characteristics of individuals of each species which affect their ability to survive, so that the organisms which have characteristics most suitable to the environment have a greater chance of surviving long enough to pass on their characteristics to the next generation.

I have avoided here mentioning Darwin's additional assumptions that have since been disproved, for example the assumption that in every defined region the adult population tends to remain fixed in number, and have limited myself to considering the basic authorized principles of the theory of Natural Selection.

This theory explains observed changes in many species, and with the amendments of the geneticist Theodosius Dobzhansky in 1937, who pointed to mutation as an additional mechanism, further evolutionary changes can be explained.

In a laboratory it is not difficult to demonstrate changes in large populations of bacteria and insects, changes in certain characteristics that affect their ability to survive in specific situations. But it has not been possible to demonstrate in a laboratory changes in which one species of living creature can produce offspring that is similar to, and appears to belong to, a different species! An analogy is the difference between chemistry and alchemy. It is possible by chemical means to alter chemical compounds, but it is not possible either by chemistry or alchemy to change lead into gold.

From a scientific point of view one can relate to the basic Laws of Natural Selection as to conclusions from controlled experiments. But there is no scientific evidence to support any assumption that these laws can be extrapolated to explain the alleged birth of offspring whose species is different to that of its parents.

The Attitude of Halakhic Scholars to Controlled Experiments.

Scientific principles based on observation and controlled experiments were always accepted in the world of halakhah (Jewish Law). Rabbi Isaac ben Sheshet Perfet, known as Ribash (1326-1408), in his Responsum 447 draws a fundamental distinction between the scientific approach of the (Talmudic) Sages and the Aristotelian approach. As is well known, Aristotle and his followers in many cases performed no experiments, but simply produced intellectual theories on what ought to happen in the world on the basis of the teleology (purpose) of nature, on the assumption that what ought to occur according to human thought certainly does occur. Even when the Greek scientists actually performed experiments, they did not take the trouble to perform controls to prevent doubts that might arise as to the validity of that experiment. For that reason, says Ribash,

We place no trust in the words of the Greek and Arab scientists, who gave their opinions only on the basis of their own theories or on some experiment without caring about any doubts that might arise regarding the validity of those experiments.

Consequently, Ribash accepted the opinion of the Sages that offspring inherit characteristics from both father and mother, in contrast to that of the Greek scientists who claimed that heredity is from the mother alone. Similarly, whereas the Greek scientists claimed that intercourse is dangerous for the mother in the eighth month of pregnancy, he accepted the opinion of the Sages that in the third trimester of pregnancy intercourse is beneficial both for the mother and for the fetus -- which is fully in accord with medical knowledge of the past decade.

From the words of Ribash we see that the Sages pioneered the approach that demands drawing conclusions only from controlled experiments, an approach that has been accepted in the medical world only in the past few generations. A similar conclusion may be reached from the words of Hatam Sofer (Responsa Yoreh Deah 45): "experience is a more trustworthy witness than all theories put together," or Nachmanides (Genesis 9:12), Maimonides (Guide for the Perplexed) and the Talmud itself (Hullin 55b): We do not say in terefot that this is like this." It follows that laws of Natural Selection that can be verified by observation and controlled experiment are accepted in Judaism. The Laws of Natural Selection explain satisfactorily phenomena of characteristics that change in the course of generations, but tell us nothing at all about the origin of species.

On the other hand, Darwin's Theory of the Origin of Species makes use of the Laws of Natural Selection in an attempt to explain the "faith" in the absence of a divine creator, and in the development of man from the ape (or, more strictly, both from a common ancestor, man being a more advanced development), in turn a development from an early single biological cell that came into being by accident by physical and chemical actions in the distant past.

The Origin of Species

Many are persuaded that the theory of the Origin of Species originated in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries from the Frenchmen Georges de Buffon and Jean Lamarck and the Englishman Charles Darwin. However a brief glance at history shows the existence of a similar theory already in the sixth century B.C.E. Anaximander of Miletus the Greek, a pupil of Thales, explains in his Book on Nature how life developed according to his belief: "The Earth was initially in liquid form, and as it settled into shape animals and man were created from it. First came fish, then as the water receded some of these were swept onto the land; of the latter some developed the ability to breathe air, and these were the ancestors of land animals at a later epoch."

Anaximander had nothing with which to back up his development theory. 2500 years later the Neo-Darwinists, believers in the Theory of the Origin of Species, try to use the Laws of Natural Selection to explain the mechanism of development from mineral matter to initial cells and eventually to man.

There have been Torah philosophers who found no fundamental contradiction between the Theory of Evolution and Jewish belief. Early in the twentieth century Rabbi Abraham Kook, the first Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi of the Land of Israel, wrote about this. On account of shortage of space, we will not deal here with this surprising approach, but will confine ourselves to actual scientific problems that prevent the acceptance of the neo-Darwinian theory.

What are the statistical chances of a living cell arising spontaneously from mineral matter? Two world-famous astronomers, Professor Sir Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wickramasingh, calculated the probability of such an event, and published their findings in a book (Evolution from Space, Hoyle F. & Wickramasingh C., London 1981). They claim that the probability of such occurring is one in ten-to-the-power-of-forty-thousand (1/1040). In their words, this number "is sufficient to bury Darwin together with the Theory of Evolution." It is worth noting that this same Fred Hoyle, one of the greatest astronomers of the past generation, is renowned in particular for his atheism! The London Times book critic (7.9.81, p. 6) impartially concluded that it seems that faith in Evolution and the Origin of Species has blinded the scientists.

As an attempt to reach a scientific expression, the Theory of the Origin of Species is far from convincing, despite the beautiful and attractive theories and "convincing pictures" of popular science books and secondary-school text-books. From a scientific viewpoint one may say that the Theory of the Origin of Species is not just unproved but almost disproved. From its very beginning it has been beset with serious scientific difficulties. When Darwin set it up, the terminology regarding heredity on which it was based was already out of date. Meanwhile it has been re-expressed on the basis of modern terms of mutation, but that has removed only a few of the problems. The theory requires that there should be thousands of generations to develop a new organ such that it can help in the fight for survival. Until it reaches a certain stage of development, the organ is usually an impediment; and as such, in the natural process that leads to the survival of the fittest, such an under developed organ is a cause of destruction for those who carry it. Further, there are a number of giant leaps that raise serious difficulties with the theory. In view of all this one needs a very strong and almost fanatical faith to continue to maintain belief in the theory.

Absurdity reaches its peak in the writings of the biologist Du-Noi (1947). After attacking the lack of reasonableness of the theory, he none the less accepts it, because in our times "it is almost impossible not to believe in evolution"! He answers the unacceptable problems by saying that he assumes direct divine(!) influence, on the assumption that the miracle of converting asexual reproduction to sexual reproduction is less of a miracle than the possibility of divine creation of the sexes separately, one after the other.

There is an enormous amount of literature scientifically criticising the theory of the Origin of Species from a variety of aspects. Hebrew readers interested in learning more about the problems that have arisen following new discoveries of fossils are recommended to Creation - Origin of Life (Jerusalem 1982, in Hebrew) by Dr. Mosheh Trop, which also deals with additional scientific glances at neo-Darwinism and an analysis of recent ideas in the field of evolution research. English readers may use its extensive English references to scientific literature.

In conclusion:

one needs to distinguish between results of controlled experiments in evolution on the one hand, and extrapolated results of `believers' in neo-Darwinist theories on the other.
There is no reason for a religious person to be afraid of exact science that deals with mutations and the Laws of Selection. On the other hand, there is no reason for an atheist to treat the theory of the Origin of Species as proven scientific fact, which it is not. One who wishes to believe in the Theory because it appeals to him aesthetically or because it provides an alternative emotional faith may do this only on his own responsibility, while recognizing that he is dealing with a personal belief and not with objective science.
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Re: Links to Reasonable Scientific Arguments against Darwinian Evolution
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2012, 04:58:09 AM »
There is a web site by a non-Jew, Adnan Oktar that deals with refuting Darwinism, but I have mixed feelings about linking to it. In the past, that author had associations with anti-jewish ideologies, but recently has moved towards the direction of repentance, namely, wishing peace and friendliness towards religious Jews.
Unless, you have more updated information, he still appears to believe in some version of the false religion of Islam.
What do my fellow JTF members feel? Should we draw useful information from an Islamic source or keep a distance, until that individual does full repentance?

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Re: Links to Reasonable Scientific Arguments against Darwinian Evolution
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2012, 06:09:24 AM »
There is a web site by a non-Jew, Adnan Oktar that deals with refuting Darwinism, but I have mixed feelings about linking to it. In the past, that author had associations with anti-jewish ideologies, but recently has moved towards the direction of repentance, namely, wishing peace and friendliness towards religious Jews.
Unless, you have more updated information, he still appears to believe in some version of the false religion of Islam.
What do my fellow JTF members feel? Should we draw useful information from an Islamic source or keep a distance, until that individual does full repentance?

It is right to learn, even from the enemy. That being said, all this information was presented by much earlier, Christian and Jewish sources (you didn't think the sand people figured this out themselves, did ya?), and would be much nicer because they have scientific credentials. While this Oktar guy seems to be an OK observer, on this topic at any rate, none of this is his research.

Oktar doesn't care about science. Darwinism is the greatest threat to scientific advancement in the non-muslim world. http://harunyahya.com/en/works/151335/with-mr-adnan-oktar-being Everything else I could say aside, note he says he is against Darwinism and materialism. When the muzzsters say that, they aren't trying to ascertain truth, they're trying to fight us by causing us to hold disdain for knowledge and wealth. If this slithering liar was the only one with his information, I'd say take it with a grain of salt. Instead, take it from someone else.

For the record, his worthless peacefulness (considering his holy brothers feel differently) was his golden ticket for this. http://harunyahya.com/en/Adnan-Oktarin-Sohbetlerinden-Secme-Bolumler/151194/Adnan_Oktar%27s_teachings_shared_with_United_States_Congressmen_-_Dr._Oktar_Babuna_at_the_United_States_Congress

Full repentance??? You think this monster is on your side????
http://harunyahya.com/en/works/102697/Israeli-political-adviser-Mr-Moshe-Amirav-People-who-dont-believe-in-Allah-cannot-find-a-political-solution-to-Jerusalem

http://harunyahya.com/en/Adnan-Oktarin-Sohbetlerinden-Secme-Bolumler/106776/Global_reign_of_Islam_can_only_be_established_by_urbane_and_high_quality_people

Note the girls look like Katie Holmes in a Scientology camp mixed with someone that just escaped a gulag during a prayer service at whatever blood altar Rhianna considers a church.

Back to this guy. ARE YOU @%#$^#^& INSANE?!?!?!? This maniac would be a greater threat to western civilization with power than Admenejad, Gadaffy, Chavez and Farrakhan combined. He's smart, and a master of emulation and infiltration. You have brought up a terrifying thing, accepting Islam without a fight is what he does. Of course Islam will bring fights later, but after you dare not touch muslims because of how peaceful and holy they told you they were, and have your hands tied.

Mr. Chaim Ben Pesah please denounce this Adnan Oktar, I see him becoming a far greater threat than the sharia for Brittan buffoon sheik or Wahhabi thought in general.
The fear of the L-rd is the beginning of knowledge