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Offline Yerusha

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Who should get most credit for freeing Soviet Jewry?
« on: November 14, 2012, 09:15:35 AM »
In typical Frum fashion, Chabad now take all the credit for their "quiet" approach
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-rebbes-quiet-role-in-freeing-soviet-jewry/

There's a time for quiet diplomacy.

And there's a time for militant activism eg Chaim ben Pesach, who spent real jail time for his valiant efforts.

And there's a time for both.

Who, if anyone, can take the real credit/most of the credit for freeing Soviet Jewry?

Or were there other factors?
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Re: What really freed Soviet Jewry?
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2012, 09:24:21 AM »
In typical Frum fashion, Chabad now take all the credit for their "quiet" approach
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-rebbes-quiet-role-in-freeing-soviet-jewry/

There's a time for quiet diplomacy.

And there's a time for militant activism eg Chaim, who spent real jail time for his valiant efforts.

And there's a time for both.

Who, if anyone, can take the real credit/most of the credit for freeing Soviet Jewry?

Or were there other factors?
And most of them went to the US & Germany as we received all the [censored] Russian Goyim.
The Russians here are like our Marial boatlift.
Maybe we can get the [censored] to go to America & Germany & bring the real Jews home?

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Re: Who really freed Soviet Jewry?
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2012, 09:54:32 AM »
The efforts and sacrifice made by Militant Kahanists freed Soviet Jewry.
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Re: Who really freed Soviet Jewry?
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2012, 09:59:25 AM »
The efforts and sacrifice made by Militant Kahanists freed Soviet Jewry.
Yeah we sacraficed back in the day only to be flooded by Russian Goyim in our homeland.
This is slap in the face to Chaim,the Rav,ZT"L,HY"D & all the others who fought to free Soviet Jews.
It is also a slap in the face to real Russian Jews.

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Re: Who should get most credit for freeing Soviet Jewry?
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2012, 10:49:43 PM »
One good thing about the 500,000 Russian gentiles (ie those who have no Jewish yichus on either side, at all) in Israel: at least they hate Arabs and Muslims with a passion!

Imagine if Israel was flooded with 500,000 genuinely Jewish American liberal and left wing Jews?! They jus' love Arabs and Muslims, also with a passion!

A subversive Alan Dershowitz, a Sarah Silverman, a Barbrara Streisand, a George Soros, a Michael Lerner, a Phillip Roth, a Dianne Feinstein, a Richard Dreyfuss etc etc all coming on Aliya/fleeing the USA, let alone 200,000 anti-Israeli American Kiryas Yoel/Williamsburg Satmar hassidim, doesn't even bear thinking about!

They may not necessarily be allowed in by the Israeli authorities!

The Messianic Kibbutz Galuyot ("Ingathering of the Exiles") will be quite selective when it comes. Not every Jew will be allowed in to Eretz Yisrael: "Today, whoever wants to can ascend to Jerusalem. In the future it will be by invitation only!!" (Talmud Bava Basra 75)
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Re: Who should get most credit for freeing Soviet Jewry?
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2012, 11:32:03 PM »
Ohh my gosh, you might be the Messiah! The way you gather in all the exiles, I think I'll bow down to you right now!

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Re: Who should get most credit for freeing Soviet Jewry?
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2012, 07:23:45 PM »
  What utter BS. Most of the Russian speaking people in Israel are Jewish. And they are much more inclined to be "right-wing". Its more among the Russian goyim that the problems arise.
   And most Russian speaking Jews are in Israel or America.
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: Who should get most credit for freeing Soviet Jewry?
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2012, 12:00:15 AM »
  What utter BS. Most of the Russian speaking people in Israel are Jewish. And they are much more inclined to be "right-wing". Its more among the Russian goyim that the problems arise.
   And most Russian speaking Jews are in Israel or America.
80 % of the Russian speakers in Israel are Goyim according to the rabbanut.

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Re: Who should get most credit for freeing Soviet Jewry?
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2012, 12:13:35 AM »
 :dance:


 It may be up to interpretation, however,  anyone in their right mind realizes that the most credit for the freeing
 of Soviet Jewry has to be attributable to the valiant efforts of one Chaim Ben Pesach and the JDL and that was
 really effective Jewish direct action!

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Re: Who should get most credit for freeing Soviet Jewry?
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2012, 10:37:33 AM »
80 % of the Russian speakers in Israel are Goyim according to the rabbanut.

 Show me the source or statistic or such statement from the Rabbanut.

80 % of the Russian speakers in Israel are Goyim according to the rabbanut.

 Show me the source or statistic or such statement from the Rabbanut.

 This is from Wiki

 Smaller prominent ethnic and religious groups, who currently live in the Israel and who are Israeli citizens or nationals, include:
Non-Jewish immigrants from the former Soviet Union many of whom are ethnic Russians, Ukrainians and Moldovans, who were eligible to immigrate due to having, or being married to somebody who has, at least one Jewish grandparent. A very small number of these immigrants also belong to various ethnic groups from the Former Soviet Union such as Tatars, Poles and Siberian Yupiks (Siberian Eskimos) among others which can also be found in different towns in Israel.[citation needed] In addition, a certain number of former Soviet citizens, primarily women of Russian and Ukrainian ethnicity, immigrated to Israel, after marrying Muslim or Christian Arab citizens of Israel, who went to study in the former Soviet Union at the time. The total number of those groups among Israeli citizens is around 40,000.
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: Who should get most credit for freeing Soviet Jewry?
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2012, 11:36:27 AM »
http://www.thejerusalemconnection.us/news-archive/2010/03/02/israels-non-jewish-jews.html
" Israel’s Ministry of Interior says that 15% of all Russian immigrants during the 1990s came as non-Jews.   In recent years this percentage has risen to 58%. "

Of the 800,000 who came from the USSR 1990-93, it was claimed by the Ultra Orthodox at the time that 70% were not Halachically Jewish. This did not bother the secular Israelis, who viewed them as a demographic and vote counter-balance to the Haredim and Arabs, as well as arriving with useful professional and linguistic skills, being economically self-motivating and willing to serve in Zahal.

A generation later they have become thoroughly Israelified i.e. just like most Israelis they are indistinguishable from law-abiding socially productive Hebrew-speaking somewhat-Judaized gentiles!

Of course some are closet neo-Nazi muzhiks. And some undergo proper geirus and even become fervent Kahanists!
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Re: Who should get most credit for freeing Soviet Jewry?
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2012, 12:15:02 PM »
http://www.thejerusalemconnection.us/news-archive/2010/03/02/israels-non-jewish-jews.html
" Israel’s Ministry of Interior says that 15% of all Russian immigrants during the 1990s came as non-Jews.   In recent years this percentage has risen to 58%. "

Of the 800,000 who came from the USSR 1990-93, it was claimed by the Ultra Orthodox at the time that 70% were not Halachically Jewish. This did not bother the secular Israelis, who viewed them as a demographic and vote counter-balance to the Haredim and Arabs, as well as arriving with useful professional and linguistic skills, being economically self-motivating and willing to serve in Zahal.

A generation later they have become thoroughly Israelified i.e. just like most Israelis they are indistinguishable from law-abiding socially productive Hebrew-speaking somewhat-Judaized gentiles!

Of course some are closet neo-Nazi muzhiks. And some undergo proper geirus and even become fervent Kahanists!
There you have it!!!!