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Offline Husar

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Re: Why Is Montenegro Becoming Independent?
« Reply #100 on: December 01, 2007, 08:51:49 PM »
Montenegro to day have two fraction of people, they are in this group :

1) ANTISERBIAN - This group have most former communist, very match Albanians (Siptari), Nazi Croats(all Catholic) and greens fraction ( supporter of dynasty Petrovici ), and

2) PRO SERBIAN - This group are all Serbian and also withes fraction (supporter of dynasty Karadjordjevici) !

First group are in POWER and they split US from SERBIA, second fight to REUNITE. I only disagre whit HUSAR in that  I like to call them ANTISERBIAN Montenegrin not NAZI MONTENIGRIAN my facts is this :

1) In Montenegro during 1918-1945 never has Jew's to develop antisemitism ! Montenegro was very poor cantry even my family in that time are remove in Macedonia ! NAZI ideology is to hate Jew's, sloven race and Negro's !

2) My fraction fight with all first group members, but WE NOT genocide OUR women and children's !

3) Montenegro was occupied by ITALY, greens ( fraction who support Petrovici) was they ALLY and establish government there, bat Italian soldiers was different then Germans, they do not kills children's ! In 1943 Italy left the war so maybe same greens join CETNIKS !!!

4) If like Husar we call all first group whit one single name NAZI MONTENIGRIAN, then I will mast go to genocide half of my family members, and that will not be nice !!!

5) In the end in Montenegro HAVE half population ANTISERBIAN, but I like to ask Husar whit cold head, do we mast them call like NAZI MONTENIGRIAN and why ?

6) It is better to convert them to like normal people ore to kills them, Husar ?


p.s Husar pisem ti ko brat, bratu nemoj da me bombardiras sa slike nego normalno odgovori mi sa faktima ! CCCC O0


The ANTI-SERBIAN GROUP,
the ONE that WON the elections, I remind you,
had/has ETHNIC-MOUNT-NEGGER-NAZIS also.

 8;)

They are NOT NAZICROATS,
but TEND TO BE NAZICROATS.

 8;)

I know WHAT an ALBANAZI is,
I know WHAT a MONTENEGRIN is,
and I also can recognize a NAZI-MOUNT-NEGGER.

I wrote (in huge amounts)
about MOUNT-NEGGER-USTASHA
such as SAVIC MARKOVIC STEDIMLIJA
and SEKULA DRLJEVIC.

 8;)

They allied themselves with
the USTASHA CANNIBALS "proper" !!!!

 8;)

I let in this topic some links about them.
They're not ONLY supporters of the Petrovici family,
as you say, omitting to write more,
but also of ANTE PAVELIC,
therefore, of SHITLER itself !!!

 :o

The PRO-SERBIAN GROUP
consists of my Serbian Brothers,
against whom I, of course,
have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

 ;)

I wish them (meaning: us)
all the SUCCESS they (we) deserve
in their (our) SERBIAN STRUGGLE
TO RE-UNITE WHAT WAS SEPARATED.

 O0

I just hope, THIS TIME, the Serbs of Monte-Negro
SLAY their (our) arch-enemies, ONCE AND FOR ALL.

 O0 O0 O0

1) I agree.
If we except NAZI-MOUNT-NEGGER-USTASHA
leaders SAVIC MARKOVIC STEDIMLIJA,
SEKULA DRLJEVIC, and all their
NAZI-MOUNT-NEGGER-SUPPORTERS...

2) Who spoke of genocidizing OUR Women and Children ?

 :o

As for me, I am for the GENOCIDIZING of EVERYTHING
that counts itself among JEWS/ISRAEL/SERBS/SERBIA-HATERS.

 8;)

3) Italy was wrong in recognizing a "great-albania"...
But Italy had Soldiers in the NAZICROATIA (NDH) who
fought ALONGSIDE the Serbs against the USTASHA,
and Officers that wrote to mussolini
about HOW HORRIBLE was the fate of the Serbs in NDH,
and were COMPLAINING about that loudly.

I consider (like SESELJ) that
Italy is our FIRST WESTERN BORDER.
That purely means there's no
NAZICROATIA any more, between
us, Serbs, and Italians.

SERBIA and ITALY
should work more on this...
...It is our common Interest.

 ;)

4) I don't call the
ANTI-SERBIAN GROUP :
"NAZI MONTENEGRIAN",
but : NAZI-MOUNT-NEGGERS.

 :)

ONLY the PRO-SERB (in fact, the SERBS) "faction"
of Monte-Negro will be allowed to Live and Prosper,
naturally, Brother, and your Family with them,
if it considers itself SERBIAN...

 ;)

The SERBIA-HATERS have to
be cut into pieces (of shitler).

 8;)

5) Half of a Region's population
is quite a GREAT PART, isn't it ?

 8;)

This "half" is SERB/SERBIA-HATER,
and associates itself with NAZICROATIA,
TO WHICH THEY APOLOGIZED (!!!!!)
for the war they led against it,
while under Serbian "DICTATORSHIP" !!!!!!!

 :o :o :o

I SPIT and VOMITE on this "half".

 8)

They LICK NAZICROAT BALLS.

 8)

They FOLLOW NAZI-MOUNT-NEGGERS
PRO-USTASHA (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
SAVIC MARKOVIC STEDIMLIJA
and SEKULA DRLJEVIC's unfamous path....
......towards their "red croatia",
as USTASHA call it.

 :o :o :o

Isn't this MORE THAN ENOUGH
to call ANYBODY a NAZI ?!!?...

 8;)

6) Nice question.
You write, here,
about the PRO-USTASHA, aren't you ?
Because, we don't have to CONVERT
the PRO-SERBIANS, do we ?

 :)

Now, "convert" the ANTI-SERBIANS to what,
since they call themselves "Orthodox" too ?

I would convert their females and children...
So that they become GOOD SERBIAN WIVES
and GOOD SERBIAN MEN/HUSBANDS...

 ^-^

Did we both explain better to each other,
our respective points of view,
Millos1616 ?

 :)






"HUSSARORUM ALIAS RACOW"
"Hussar alias Rac (Serb)"

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_hussars.html
"Hussar or gussar originally meant "a robber" in Serbian. These horsemen served not only under the Polish and Lithuanian colors but also under those of the Holy Roman Emperor;"
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/rys.html
"Bardzo prawdopodobne, że początek swego istnienia husarze zawdzięczają Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu w roku 1389 wszędzie szukali okazji do pomsty na Turkach.
Jan Długosz zapisał pod rokiem 1463, że w bitwie nad Sawą bił się Cohors Raczanorum (oddział Raców - Serbów). Po śmierci króla Macieja Korwina Serbowie udali się do Polski, aby kontynuować walkę z Turkami po usarsku."
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/WingedHussar.html
"The hussar concept began in Serbia, near the end of the 14th century. In the 16th century, painted wings or winged claws began to appear on cavalry shields. Wings were originally attached to the saddle and later to the back. In 1645, Col. Szczodrowski was said to have used ostrich wings.
In 1500, the Polish Treasury books make reference to hussars. Early on, they were foreign mercenaries, and were called Racowie from "Rascia" a word meaning "of Serbia." They came from the Serbian state of Ras."
http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armiesofthefanatici/DarrenBuxbaum/LaterSerbs/
"Serbian Gussars"
http://ac.bondurand.com/liste332.htm
"Les serbes avaient reconnu la nécessité d'une cavalerie légère, (...) ils développèrent leur propre cavalerie légère, les GUSARS ou USARS, d'où sont venus les hussards."
http://www.armae.com/contemporain/144epeesetdagues.htm
"Originaires de Serbie, les hussards furent des cavaliers d'élite, connus surtout en Hongrie puis en France, et imités par la suite partout en Europe."
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/1b772/a9330/
"The area around the present Zorinsk (Ukrainia) belonged to the Serb Hussar Major Vuyich at the end of the 18th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III
" Arsenije III (...) was inaugurating new Serb infantry and hussar regiments that were sent to the ongoing war."
http://www.gatago.com/pl/sci/historia/19850502.html
"Jan Długosz pod rokiem 1463 napisał, że w bitwie nad Sawą, biły się
"Cohors Raczanorum" / Początki husarii w bitwie na Kulikowym Polu
w 1389 r."
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Re: Why Is Montenegro Becoming Independent?
« Reply #101 on: December 01, 2007, 08:58:44 PM »
Montenegro to day have two fraction of people, they are in this group :

1) ANTISERBIAN - This group have most former communist, very match Albanians (Siptari), Nazi Croats(all Catholic) and greens fraction ( supporter of dynasty Petrovici ), and

2) PRO SERBIAN - This group are all Serbian and also withes fraction (supporter of dynasty Karadjordjevici) !

First group are in POWER and they split US from SERBIA, second fight to REUNITE. I only disagre whit HUSAR in that  I like to call them ANTISERBIAN Montenegrin not NAZI MONTENIGRIAN my facts is this :

1) In Montenegro during 1918-1945 never has Jew's to develop antisemitism ! Montenegro was very poor cantry even my family in that time are remove in Macedonia ! NAZI ideology is to hate Jew's, sloven race and Negro's !

2) My fraction fight with all first group members, but WE NOT genocide OUR women and children's !

3) Montenegro was occupied by ITALY, greens ( fraction who support Petrovici) was they ALLY and establish government there, bat Italian soldiers was different then Germans, they do not kills children's ! In 1943 Italy left the war so maybe same greens join CETNIKS !!!

4) If like Husar we call all first group whit one single name NAZI MONTENIGRIAN, then I will mast go to genocide half of my family members, and that will not be nice !!!

5) In the end in Montenegro HAVE half population ANTISERBIAN, but I like to ask Husar whit cold head, do we mast them call like NAZI MONTENIGRIAN and why ?

6) It is better to convert them to like normal people ore to kills them, Husar ?


p.s Husar pisem ti ko brat, bratu nemoj da me bombardiras sa slike nego normalno odgovori mi sa faktima ! CCCC O0


The ANTI-SERBIAN GROUP,
the ONE that WON the elections, I remind you,
had/has ETHNIC-MOUNT-NEGGER-NAZIS also.

 8;)

They are NOT NAZICROATS,
but TEND TO BE NAZICROATS.

 8;)

I know WHAT an ALBANAZI is,
I know WHAT a MONTENEGRIN is,
and I also can recognize a NAZI-MOUNT-NEGGER.

I wrote (in huge amounts)
about MOUNT-NEGGER-USTASHA
such as SAVIC MARKOVIC STEDIMLIJA
and SEKULA DRLJEVIC.

 8;)

They allied themselves with
the USTASHA CANNIBALS "proper" !!!!

 8;)

I let in this topic some links about them.
They're not ONLY supporters of the Petrovici family,
as you say, omitting to write more,
but also of ANTE PAVELIC,
therefore, of SHITLER itself !!!

 :o

The PRO-SERBIAN GROUP
consists of my Serbian Brothers,
against whom I, of course,
have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

 ;)

I wish them (meaning: us)
all the SUCCESS they (we) deserve
in their (our) SERBIAN STRUGGLE
TO RE-UNITE WHAT WAS SEPARATED.

 O0

I just hope, THIS TIME, the Serbs of Monte-Negro
SLAY their (our) arch-enemies, ONCE AND FOR ALL.

 O0 O0 O0

1) I agree.
If we except NAZI-MOUNT-NEGGER-USTASHA
leaders SAVIC MARKOVIC STEDIMLIJA,
SEKULA DRLJEVIC, and all their
NAZI-MOUNT-NEGGER-SUPPORTERS...

2) Who spoke of genocidizing OUR Women and Children ?

 :o

As for me, I am for the GENOCIDIZING of EVERYTHING
that counts itself among JEWS/ISRAEL/SERBS/SERBIA-HATERS.

 8;)

3) Italy was wrong in recognizing a "great-albania"...
But Italy had Soldiers in the NAZICROATIA (NDH) who
fought ALONGSIDE the Serbs against the USTASHA,
and Officers that wrote to mussolini
about HOW HORRIBLE was the fate of the Serbs in NDH,
and were COMPLAINING about that loudly.

I consider (like SESELJ) that
Italy is our FIRST WESTERN BORDER.
That purely means there's no
NAZICROATIA any more, between
us, Serbs, and Italians.

SERBIA and ITALY
should work more on this...
...It is our common Interest.

 ;)

4) I don't call the
ANTI-SERBIAN GROUP :
"NAZI MONTENEGRIAN",
but : NAZI-MOUNT-NEGGERS.

 :)

ONLY the PRO-SERB (in fact, the SERBS) "faction"
of Monte-Negro will be allowed to Live and Prosper,
naturally, Brother, and your Family with them,
if it considers itself SERBIAN...

 ;)

The SERBIA-HATERS have to
be cut into pieces (of shitler).

 8;)

5) Half of a Region's population
is quite a GREAT PART, isn't it ?

 8;)

This "half" is SERB/SERBIA-HATER,
and associates itself with NAZICROATIA,
TO WHICH THEY APOLOGIZED (!!!!!)
for the war they led against it,
while under Serbian "DICTATORSHIP" !!!!!!!

 :o :o :o

I SPIT and VOMITE on this "half".

 8)

They LICK NAZICROAT BALLS.

 8)

They FOLLOW NAZI-MOUNT-NEGGERS
PRO-USTASHA (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
SAVIC MARKOVIC STEDIMLIJA
and SEKULA DRLJEVIC's unfamous path....
......towards their "red croatia",
as USTASHA call it.

 :o :o :o

Isn't this MORE THAN ENOUGH
to call ANYBODY a NAZI ?!!?...

 8;)

6) Nice question.
You write, here,
about the PRO-USTASHA, aren't you ?
Because, we don't have to CONVERT
the PRO-SERBIANS, do we ?

 :)

Now, "convert" the ANTI-SERBIANS to what,
since they call themselves "Orthodox" too ?

I would convert their females and children...
So that they become GOOD SERBIAN WIVES
and GOOD SERBIAN MEN/HUSBANDS...

 ^-^

Did we both explain better to each other,
our respective points of view,
Millos1616 ?

 :)







Yes, We finaly agree like brother to brother ! CCCC  O0 O0 O0

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Re: Why Is Montenegro Becoming Independent?
« Reply #102 on: December 01, 2007, 09:01:42 PM »
That's RIGHT.

And I'm GLAD that it is so.

 :) :) :)
"HUSSARORUM ALIAS RACOW"
"Hussar alias Rac (Serb)"

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_hussars.html
"Hussar or gussar originally meant "a robber" in Serbian. These horsemen served not only under the Polish and Lithuanian colors but also under those of the Holy Roman Emperor;"
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/rys.html
"Bardzo prawdopodobne, że początek swego istnienia husarze zawdzięczają Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu w roku 1389 wszędzie szukali okazji do pomsty na Turkach.
Jan Długosz zapisał pod rokiem 1463, że w bitwie nad Sawą bił się Cohors Raczanorum (oddział Raców - Serbów). Po śmierci króla Macieja Korwina Serbowie udali się do Polski, aby kontynuować walkę z Turkami po usarsku."
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/WingedHussar.html
"The hussar concept began in Serbia, near the end of the 14th century. In the 16th century, painted wings or winged claws began to appear on cavalry shields. Wings were originally attached to the saddle and later to the back. In 1645, Col. Szczodrowski was said to have used ostrich wings.
In 1500, the Polish Treasury books make reference to hussars. Early on, they were foreign mercenaries, and were called Racowie from "Rascia" a word meaning "of Serbia." They came from the Serbian state of Ras."
http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armiesofthefanatici/DarrenBuxbaum/LaterSerbs/
"Serbian Gussars"
http://ac.bondurand.com/liste332.htm
"Les serbes avaient reconnu la nécessité d'une cavalerie légère, (...) ils développèrent leur propre cavalerie légère, les GUSARS ou USARS, d'où sont venus les hussards."
http://www.armae.com/contemporain/144epeesetdagues.htm
"Originaires de Serbie, les hussards furent des cavaliers d'élite, connus surtout en Hongrie puis en France, et imités par la suite partout en Europe."
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/1b772/a9330/
"The area around the present Zorinsk (Ukrainia) belonged to the Serb Hussar Major Vuyich at the end of the 18th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III
" Arsenije III (...) was inaugurating new Serb infantry and hussar regiments that were sent to the ongoing war."
http://www.gatago.com/pl/sci/historia/19850502.html
"Jan Długosz pod rokiem 1463 napisał, że w bitwie nad Sawą, biły się
"Cohors Raczanorum" / Początki husarii w bitwie na Kulikowym Polu
w 1389 r."
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Re: Why Is Montenegro Becoming Independent?
« Reply #103 on: December 01, 2007, 09:07:31 PM »
I add that we were interfered in OUR conversation
by other members, who disliked the fact,
that a forum is a place where people
discusses, argues, agrees,
and so forth...

 :)

As everybody has seen and noticed,
as far as I am concerned, I'm ready
to go as far as necessary, to make
my Beliefs succeed in reaching
someone's comprehension.

 :)

We both made a good job, Milos, Brother.

CcCc
"HUSSARORUM ALIAS RACOW"
"Hussar alias Rac (Serb)"

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_hussars.html
"Hussar or gussar originally meant "a robber" in Serbian. These horsemen served not only under the Polish and Lithuanian colors but also under those of the Holy Roman Emperor;"
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/rys.html
"Bardzo prawdopodobne, że początek swego istnienia husarze zawdzięczają Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu w roku 1389 wszędzie szukali okazji do pomsty na Turkach.
Jan Długosz zapisał pod rokiem 1463, że w bitwie nad Sawą bił się Cohors Raczanorum (oddział Raców - Serbów). Po śmierci króla Macieja Korwina Serbowie udali się do Polski, aby kontynuować walkę z Turkami po usarsku."
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/WingedHussar.html
"The hussar concept began in Serbia, near the end of the 14th century. In the 16th century, painted wings or winged claws began to appear on cavalry shields. Wings were originally attached to the saddle and later to the back. In 1645, Col. Szczodrowski was said to have used ostrich wings.
In 1500, the Polish Treasury books make reference to hussars. Early on, they were foreign mercenaries, and were called Racowie from "Rascia" a word meaning "of Serbia." They came from the Serbian state of Ras."
http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armiesofthefanatici/DarrenBuxbaum/LaterSerbs/
"Serbian Gussars"
http://ac.bondurand.com/liste332.htm
"Les serbes avaient reconnu la nécessité d'une cavalerie légère, (...) ils développèrent leur propre cavalerie légère, les GUSARS ou USARS, d'où sont venus les hussards."
http://www.armae.com/contemporain/144epeesetdagues.htm
"Originaires de Serbie, les hussards furent des cavaliers d'élite, connus surtout en Hongrie puis en France, et imités par la suite partout en Europe."
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/1b772/a9330/
"The area around the present Zorinsk (Ukrainia) belonged to the Serb Hussar Major Vuyich at the end of the 18th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III
" Arsenije III (...) was inaugurating new Serb infantry and hussar regiments that were sent to the ongoing war."
http://www.gatago.com/pl/sci/historia/19850502.html
"Jan Długosz pod rokiem 1463 napisał, że w bitwie nad Sawą, biły się
"Cohors Raczanorum" / Początki husarii w bitwie na Kulikowym Polu
w 1389 r."
--

CcCc

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Re: Why Is Montenegro Becoming Independent?
« Reply #104 on: December 01, 2007, 09:10:18 PM »
That's RIGHT.

And I'm GLAD that it is so.

 :) :) :)
For 4) I  meen In my distance relatives members !!! I corect I not meen In my cloos blood line, but I now also same whi consider them like ANTI-SERBIAN, I now distace relatives like son and father, son like SERBIA, bu father like Montenegro, it have many mix famuly like this, so I tink for that ! CCCC  O0 O0 O0

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Re: Why Is Montenegro Becoming Independent?
« Reply #105 on: December 01, 2007, 09:12:02 PM »
I add that we were interfered in OUR conversation
by other members, who disliked the fact,
that a forum is a place where people
discusses, argues, agrees,
and so forth...

 :)

As everybody has seen and noticed,
as far as I am concerned, I'm ready
to go as far as necessary, to make
my Beliefs succeed in reaching
someone's comprehension.

 :)

We both made a good job, Milos, Brother.

CcCc
Yes, We do and that we mast works ! I mast go now ! Good Night ! CCCC  O0 O0 O0

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Re: Why Is Montenegro Becoming Independent?
« Reply #106 on: December 01, 2007, 09:17:52 PM »
Good Night, Brother,
and have sweet Dreams
about great, Magnificent Serbia.

May some Serbian Fairy kiss you.

 :)

"HUSSARORUM ALIAS RACOW"
"Hussar alias Rac (Serb)"

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_hussars.html
"Hussar or gussar originally meant "a robber" in Serbian. These horsemen served not only under the Polish and Lithuanian colors but also under those of the Holy Roman Emperor;"
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/rys.html
"Bardzo prawdopodobne, że początek swego istnienia husarze zawdzięczają Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu w roku 1389 wszędzie szukali okazji do pomsty na Turkach.
Jan Długosz zapisał pod rokiem 1463, że w bitwie nad Sawą bił się Cohors Raczanorum (oddział Raców - Serbów). Po śmierci króla Macieja Korwina Serbowie udali się do Polski, aby kontynuować walkę z Turkami po usarsku."
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/WingedHussar.html
"The hussar concept began in Serbia, near the end of the 14th century. In the 16th century, painted wings or winged claws began to appear on cavalry shields. Wings were originally attached to the saddle and later to the back. In 1645, Col. Szczodrowski was said to have used ostrich wings.
In 1500, the Polish Treasury books make reference to hussars. Early on, they were foreign mercenaries, and were called Racowie from "Rascia" a word meaning "of Serbia." They came from the Serbian state of Ras."
http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armiesofthefanatici/DarrenBuxbaum/LaterSerbs/
"Serbian Gussars"
http://ac.bondurand.com/liste332.htm
"Les serbes avaient reconnu la nécessité d'une cavalerie légère, (...) ils développèrent leur propre cavalerie légère, les GUSARS ou USARS, d'où sont venus les hussards."
http://www.armae.com/contemporain/144epeesetdagues.htm
"Originaires de Serbie, les hussards furent des cavaliers d'élite, connus surtout en Hongrie puis en France, et imités par la suite partout en Europe."
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/1b772/a9330/
"The area around the present Zorinsk (Ukrainia) belonged to the Serb Hussar Major Vuyich at the end of the 18th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III
" Arsenije III (...) was inaugurating new Serb infantry and hussar regiments that were sent to the ongoing war."
http://www.gatago.com/pl/sci/historia/19850502.html
"Jan Długosz pod rokiem 1463 napisał, że w bitwie nad Sawą, biły się
"Cohors Raczanorum" / Początki husarii w bitwie na Kulikowym Polu
w 1389 r."
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Re: Why Is Montenegro Becoming Independent?
« Reply #107 on: December 02, 2007, 12:56:21 PM »
If you like to see scum of to day govrement in Montenegro :

  :::D :::D :::D

and OUR sebian party sory for Jews becouse It not have subtutles in english I hope samme one will make to anderstand :

  !!! CCCC  O0 O0 O0


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Re: Why Is Montenegro Becoming Independent?
« Reply #108 on: December 03, 2007, 07:50:41 AM »
Husar once you write me about Sesej, if you now more what is opinion of radical for Montenegro and other Serbian lands write me ! I'm very interesting to hear what Sesej think we should do  ? CCCC  8) 8) 8)

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Re: Why Is Montenegro Becoming Independent?
« Reply #109 on: December 08, 2007, 07:16:59 PM »
Sory I cant translate this song in english if same serbian can I will be glad, so our frends Jews can andersthend what kind Scum of people split us from Serbia. Look this song from one ruler from Petrovici, they like this dinasty but forget that Petrovici also was Serbian :

ONAMO, ONAMO !...

Onamo, 'namo... za brda ona,
Govore da je razoren dvor
Mojega cara; onamo, vele,
Bio je negda junacki zbor.

Onamo, 'namo... da vidju Prizren -
Ta to je moje - doma cu poc'! -
Starina mila tamo me zove,
Tu moram jednom oruzan poc'.

Onamo, 'namo... sa razvalina
Dvorova carskih vragu cu rec':
"C ognjista milog bjezi mi, kugo
Zajam ti moram vracati vec !"

Onamo, 'namo - za brda ona -
Kazuju da je zelen gaj
Pod kim se dizu Decani sveti :
Molitva u njih prisvaja raj !

Onamo, 'namo - za brda ona,
Gdje nebo plavo savija svod,
Na srpska polja, na polja bojna,
Onamo, braco, spremajmo hod !

Onamo, 'namo - za brda ona -
Pogazen konjima klikuje Jug:
"Upomoc, djeco ! Upomoc sinci !
Svetit' me starca svet vam je dug !"

Onamo, 'namo... sabji za stara
Njegova rebra da tupim rez
Po turskim rebrim'; da b'jednoj raji
Njom istom s ruku ras'jecem vez !

Onamo, 'namo - za brda ona -
Milosev, kazu, prebiva grob...
Onamo !... Pokoj dobicu dusi
Kad Srbin vise nebude rob.

Nikola I Petrovic-Njegos

I rely hope same one of serbs will translate to our frends in english ! CCCC  O0 O0 O0

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Re: Why Is Montenegro Becoming Independent?
« Reply #110 on: December 10, 2007, 07:56:29 AM »
It should be noted that many of the greatest Serbs in history are Montenegrins.  Also, Montenegro was Montenegro long before it became united country with Serbia.  And lastly, you don't have to worry about Albanians taking over Montenegro, worry about what's going on in Serbian Kosovo, if Turks couldn't take over Montenegro i doubt pigeons have a chance.  As far as living there, there are Catholic Albanians who helped fight Turks who have lived in Montenegro for hundreds of years and live in peace with the Montenegrins.  There is also some nazi turks and other nazis in the mix.  It's a very tolerant country, but don't get it twisted, Montenegrins still run it and if anything are even more anti-Turk then people in Serbia.

The greatest Serbian warrior Milos Obilic is Montenegrin.  As are many of today's powerful politicians in SERBIA... The greatest Serbian poet Njegos is Montenegrin.  If u wanna know how Montenegrins think, you have to read his work.   This is all undenyable and overall, in contrast to our numbers, we are very influential.

Even Slobodan Milosevic, Arkan and Radovan Karadžić are Montenegrin...

I consider myself a Serb even though i'm Montenegrin (i say Montenegrin Serb).  But people from Serbia really should be thanking the Montenegrin people for our contributions to their culture if anything and worry about Kosovo, not Montenegro.  We have survived a lot worse then finally getting to fully sperating from the remnants of TITOSLAVIA.  It's not an anti-Serb move but a move in the best interest of Montenegro as a state.  Do u think if Serbia went to war Montenegro would not support when half your politicians are Montenegrin and we're brothers? lol  I'm a Montenegrin and i would die for Serbia.

And yea, i put my life on the fact that those people in the pictures holdin up the Albo flag were not Montenegrin.. 
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Re: Why Is Montenegro Becoming Independent?
« Reply #111 on: December 10, 2007, 08:00:28 AM »
I should also explain the religious situation quickly..  Which directly translates into support/non-support of Serbia-Montenegro union.

In Montenegro you have Montenegrin Orthidox church and the Serbian Orthidox church.  Neither are against Serbs, but the Montenegrin Orthidox church is for Montenegro while the Serbian one is for a Montenegro under Serbia.  Montenegrin church is not recognized by the Vatican (not that it matters) but other then that religiously, there is no difference between the two and both are brothers.  Montenegro church was pro-indiependance though and the Serbian one was pro-union and support in Montenegro is somewhere down the middle.

In Montenegro, you also have clans of families kind of like the clans of Scottland.  When you say your last name people know who you belong to.  These clans faught together against the Turks in the old battles.  This is all embeded intro Montenegrin culture which is very anti-Islamofascist.  Montenegrins are also known for being old school (ie. protective of their females), warrior types and very strong on family and Christian values overall.

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Re: Why Is Montenegro Becoming Independent?
« Reply #112 on: December 10, 2007, 09:02:01 AM »
It should be noted that many of the greatest Serbs in history are Montenegrins.  Also, Montenegro was Montenegro long before it became united country with Serbia.  And lastly, you don't have to worry about Albanians taking over Montenegro, worry about what's going on in Serbian Kosovo, if Turks couldn't take over Montenegro i doubt pigeons have a chance.  As far as living there, there are Catholic Albanians who helped fight Turks who have lived in Montenegro for hundreds of years and live in peace with the Montenegrins.  There is also some nazi turks and other nazis in the mix.  It's a very tolerant country, but don't get it twisted, Montenegrins still run it and if anything are even more anti-Turk then people in Serbia.

The greatest Serbian warrior Milos Obilic is Montenegrin.  As are many of today's powerful politicians in SERBIA... The greatest Serbian poet Njegos is Montenegrin.  If u wanna know how Montenegrins think, you have to read his work.   This is all undenyable and overall, in contrast to our numbers, we are very influential.

Even Slobodan Milosevic, Arkan and Radovan Karadžić are Montenegrin...

I consider myself a Serb even though i'm Montenegrin (i say Montenegrin Serb).  But people from Serbia really should be thanking the Montenegrin people for our contributions to their culture if anything and worry about Kosovo, not Montenegro.  We have survived a lot worse then finally getting to fully sperating from the remnants of TITOSLAVIA.  It's not an anti-Serb move but a move in the best interest of Montenegro as a state.  Do u think if Serbia went to war Montenegro would not support when half your politicians are Montenegrin and we're brothers? lol  I'm a Montenegrin and i would die for Serbia.

And yea, i put my life on the fact that those people in the pictures holdin up the Albo flag were not Montenegrin.. 


Um you're wrong. Montenegrians are serbs. Montenegro existed before serbia but that doesnt mean montenegrians are their own.

Anyway we are all brothers, and I do not like montenegrian separatists. (The ones that hate serbs, and claim there is only one laungauge and its montenegrian)

BTW, welcome to this forum!
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Само Слога Србина Спашава!!!

Али морамо да верујемо у Бога!!!

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Re: Why Is Montenegro Becoming Independent?
« Reply #113 on: December 10, 2007, 09:14:19 AM »
I should also explain the religious situation quickly..  Which directly translates into support/non-support of Serbia-Montenegro union.

In Montenegro you have Montenegrin Orthidox church and the Serbian Orthidox church.  Neither are against Serbs, but the Montenegrin Orthidox church is for Montenegro while the Serbian one is for a Montenegro under Serbia.  Montenegrin church is not recognized by the Vatican (not that it matters) but other then that religiously, there is no difference between the two and both are brothers.  Montenegro church was pro-indiependance though and the Serbian one was pro-union and support in Montenegro is somewhere down the middle.

In Montenegro, you also have clans of families kind of like the clans of Scottland.  When you say your last name people know who you belong to.  These clans faught together against the Turks in the old battles.  This is all embeded intro Montenegrin culture which is very anti-Islamofascist.  Montenegrins are also known for being old school (ie. protective of their females), warrior types and very strong on family and Christian values overall.


Is this song for Petrovici :
ONAMO, ONAMO !...

Onamo, 'namo... za brda ona,
Govore da je razoren dvor
Mojega cara; onamo, vele,
Bio je negda junacki zbor.

Onamo, 'namo... da vidju Prizren -
Ta to je moje - doma cu poc'! -
Starina mila tamo me zove,
Tu moram jednom oruzan poc'.

Onamo, 'namo... sa razvalina
Dvorova carskih vragu cu rec':
"C ognjista milog bjezi mi, kugo
Zajam ti moram vracati vec !"

Onamo, 'namo - za brda ona -
Kazuju da je zelen gaj
Pod kim se dizu Decani sveti :
Molitva u njih prisvaja raj !

Onamo, 'namo - za brda ona,
Gdje nebo plavo savija svod,
Na srpska polja, na polja bojna,
Onamo, braco, spremajmo hod !

Onamo, 'namo - za brda ona -
Pogazen konjima klikuje Jug:
"Upomoc, djeco ! Upomoc sinci !
Svetit' me starca svet vam je dug !"

Onamo, 'namo... sabji za stara
Njegova rebra da tupim rez
Po turskim rebrim'; da b'jednoj raji
Njom istom s ruku ras'jecem vez !

Onamo, 'namo - za brda ona -
Milosev, kazu, prebiva grob...
Onamo !... Pokoj dobicu dusi
Kad Srbin vise nebude rob.

Nikola I Petrovic-Njegos

and it is fact that Montenegro start in begin agains Turks with clan CRNOJECI, who was  catolic, and do I Milos have right in my clasification in Montenegro ? Montenegro for me is region of populet Serbs ! Even King Nikola tell this : Montenigrian for you past and serbian milk ! Give ansfer and I will listen, I am objektiv !

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Re: Why Is Montenegro Becoming Independent?
« Reply #114 on: December 10, 2007, 09:41:30 AM »
"Um you're wrong. Montenegrians are serbs. Montenegro existed before serbia but that doesnt mean montenegrians are their own."



I'm a Montenegrin and i would die for Serbia.



I consider myself a Serb even though i'm Montenegrin (i say Montenegrin Serb). 


Thanks..  Good to be here..  And yea, all those people i listed are Montenegrins.  Especially the most relevant ones (Obilic and Njegos).  All i'm saying is Montenegrins have done nothing but protect Montenegro and contribute to Serbian culture and im just saying, we don't need to beg anyone for a right to exist as people in our beautiful Crna Gora.  Any Serbs are welcome to move there. Some Serbian people not from Montenegro have this thing where they want Montenegrins to bow down to SERBIA as their master, and that just doesnt fly with us.

But by the explination of Montenegro being older, every Serb is a Montenegrin not the other way around..  So maybe u should join us and we'll call it VELIKA CRNA GORA. ahaha
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Re: Why Is Montenegro Becoming Independent?
« Reply #115 on: December 10, 2007, 09:51:49 AM »
"Um you're wrong. Montenegrians are serbs. Montenegro existed before serbia but that doesnt mean montenegrians are their own."



I consider myself a Serb even though i'm Montenegrin (i say Montenegrin Serb). 


Thanks..  Good to be here..  And yea, all those people i listed are Montenegrins.  Especially the most relevant ones (Obilic and Njegos).  All i'm saying is Montenegrins have done nothing but protect Montenegro and contribute to Serbian culture and im just saying, we don't need to beg anyone for a right to exist as people in our beautiful Crna Gora.  Any Serbs are welcome to move there. Some Serbian people not from Montenegro have this thing where they want Montenegrins to bow down to SERBIA as their master, and that just doesnt fly with us.

But by the explination of Montenegro being older, every Serb is a Montenegrin not the other way around..  So maybe u should join us and we'll call it VELIKA CRNA GORA. ahaha

No, no. Serbs that lived in Crna Gora started to call theirselves for montenegrians. They have serb roots. Just like bosniaks. Serbs converted to Islam 600 years ago, today they are called bosniaks.
Бог нам помого. Али богами Срби изгледа да нећемо нигде стићи ако се не зложимо. Не смемо заборавити да;

Само Слога Србина Спашава!!!

Али морамо да верујемо у Бога!!!

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Re: Why Is Montenegro Becoming Independent?
« Reply #116 on: December 10, 2007, 09:55:19 AM »
Did you just honestly compare Montenegrins, the greatest Serbian warriors in history to... Bosniaks  :o
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Re: Why Is Montenegro Becoming Independent?
« Reply #117 on: December 10, 2007, 09:57:52 AM »
Did you just honestly compare Montenegrins, the greatest Serbian warriors in history to... Bosniaks  :o

No, you missunderstood me. I meant that montenegrians have serb roots. Aswell as bosniaks have serb roots. Oh, and croats too. That's what I meant. Not comparing.
Бог нам помого. Али богами Срби изгледа да нећемо нигде стићи ако се не зложимо. Не смемо заборавити да;

Само Слога Србина Спашава!!!

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Re: Why Is Montenegro Becoming Independent?
« Reply #118 on: December 10, 2007, 10:03:01 AM »
If you ask me, that was a good way of cleaning up the Serbian gene pool.  That's why, to this day we're stronger, and better looking.  Seriously, all the weaklings converted.....



Radivoje "Rade" Tomov Petrović was born on 13 November (1 November Old Style), 1813 in the village of Njeguši, the capital of the Katun province of Montenegro as the son of Tomo Markov Petrović and Ivana Proroković Petrović. He had two brothers, Pero and Jovan, as well as two sisters.

Rade became the Bishop of Cetinje and Viceroy Metropolitan of Montenegro on 19 October 1830 at the age of 17 upon his uncle's death. His uncle Petar I wrote in his will:

"I make and pronounce my nephew Rade Tomov Perović my heir, governor and guardian of everything mine and Church's, who I hope shall be a man of work and wisdom, as much as blessed Heavenly Father wished to grant him with, and whom to G-d, our Emperor and to Montenegrins and Highlanders I recommend with all my heart and soul."



The Day of Proclamation of the Kingdom of Montenegro; Cetinje, August 28, 1910.
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Re: Why Is Montenegro Becoming Independent?
« Reply #119 on: December 10, 2007, 10:10:12 AM »
If you ask me, that was a good way of cleaning up the Serbian gene pool.  That's why, to this day we're stronger, and better looking.  Seriously, all the weaklings converted.....



Radivoje "Rade" Tomov Petrović was born on 13 November (1 November Old Style), 1813 in the village of Njeguši, the capital of the Katun province of Montenegro as the son of Tomo Markov Petrović and Ivana Proroković Petrović. He had two brothers, Pero and Jovan, as well as two sisters.

Rade became the Bishop of Cetinje and Viceroy Metropolitan of Montenegro on 19 October 1830 at the age of 17 upon his uncle's death. His uncle Petar I wrote in his will:

"I make and pronounce my nephew Rade Tomov Perović my heir, governor and guardian of everything mine and Church's, who I hope shall be a man of work and wisdom, as much as blessed Heavenly Father wished to grant him with, and whom to G-d, our Emperor and to Montenegrins and Highlanders I recommend with all my heart and soul."



The Day of Proclamation of the Kingdom of Montenegro; Cetinje, August 28, 1910.
You forged to tell that King Nikola Petrovic has hat whit words CCCC like Njegos and other, even they sing for Kosovo and tell this Montenigrian for our past and SERBIAN MILK !

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Re: Why Is Montenegro Becoming Independent?
« Reply #120 on: December 10, 2007, 10:12:56 AM »
Tell me whit new constitution in Monte Negro, do I have do right to vote, I have blood line in Montenegro, but I live in Macedonia ?

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« Reply #121 on: December 10, 2007, 10:19:21 AM »
Tell me whit new constitution in Monte Negro, do I have do right to vote, I have blood line in Montenegro, but I live in Macedonia ?

I don't know about that to be honest, i consider myself more religious then political.  If you wanted to, i'm sure there's ways around it either way.  You would definitelly be able to support any Church you wanted to support.
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« Reply #122 on: December 10, 2007, 10:24:22 AM »
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You forged to tell that King Nikola Petrovic has hat whit words CCCC like Njegos and other, even they sing for Kosovo and tell this Montenigrian for our past and SERBIAN MILK !

Yup!  And it shouldn't surprise ANYBODY that Montenegrins faught for Serbs since the beginning!  blood is blood..



Miloš Obilić (Serbian Cyrillic: Милош Обилић) was a Serbian knight from Zeta (Montenegro) who, at the Battle of Kosovo between the Serbian Empire and the Ottoman Empire, assassinated the Ottoman Sultan Murat I. He is associated with Đurađ II Stracimirović of the ruling House of Balšić of Zeta, that is not fully historically recorded to have fought at the Battle of Kossovo. He is a major figure in Serbian epic poetry, and is a legendary, as well as a historical persona. He was a founder of Order of the Dragon of St. George, an order of knights - not to be confused with the Order of the Dragon founded by Sigismund, King of Hungary. His shield represented the sun with twelve rays and there were twelve knights, himself included, belonging to this order. As a distinctive sign, they wore a dragon on their helmet. The aim of the order was the death of the Ottoman Sultan Murad I. The members were the most powerful European knights who tried to rule and manage European history.
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Re: Why Is Montenegro Becoming Independent?
« Reply #123 on: December 10, 2007, 10:25:30 AM »
Tell me whit new constitution in Monte Negro, do I have do right to vote, I have blood line in Montenegro, but I live in Macedonia ?

I don't know about that to be honest, i consider myself more religious then political.  If you wanted to, i'm sure there's ways around it either way.  You would definitelly be able to support any Church you wanted to support.
Thanks and I will go in Monte Negro this sammer and I will ask for that, if I can right to vote, I will took what is belong to me and my family ! O0

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Re: Why Is Montenegro Becoming Independent?
« Reply #124 on: December 10, 2007, 10:28:53 AM »
Tell me whit new constitution in Monte Negro, do I have do right to vote, I have blood line in Montenegro, but I live in Macedonia ?

I don't know about that to be honest, i consider myself more religious then political.  If you wanted to, i'm sure there's ways around it either way.  You would definitelly be able to support any Church you wanted to support.
Thanks and I will go in Monte Negro this sammer and I will ask for that, if I can right to vote, I will took what is belong to me and my family ! O0

Good luck with that brate..  I'm focused on making money right now so I can get more involved in issues like that as well.
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