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'New Years' Eve (aka Sylvester) is still NOT KOSHER!

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Sveta:
I hate to say it but since the topic came up. All non-Jewish holidays are pagan in origin or made up (like the moslim holidays, Ba'hai). The early christians were very keen on converting people, that the masses that accepted the new religion brought their European pagan rituals to them.

That is why X-mas has a lot of pagan Yule colors and traditions. Yule was a European pagan holiday. Dec 25th was a Roman holiday. New Years is just the end of the Gregorian calendar year. Easter has origins in a Saxon goddess Eostre/ Ostara. All Saints Day...well that one is obvious enough.

The point is that the early church made the doctrine and what holidays would be celebrated and when. Many of the holidays corresponding to the dates and rituals of the new converts who combined the new holidays with their old pagan customs. 

It's not that Muman delves deeply into all these things. It's just that he is informed. And it's better to be informed.

This is a picture of a Yule tree...look familiar?

Ephraim Ben Noach:
I agree, Muman was not trying to start anything. He was merely trying to help locust killing pagan and I out, in our discussion.

 He even told the Christians, Happy Holidays! He's only speaking the facts of his own religion, in a Jewish section of the forum.

nessuno:
I'm not suggesting Muman was starting anything.  I asked a serious question.
       

muman613:
Oy vey, we are a fighting bunch, aren't we?

I just wanted to say that Jews should know the history of these holidays and consider whether it is kosher according to their understanding. A big part of Jewish culture is the Jewish memory, the remembrance of events which occurred to our people throughout history. We remember the destruction of the first and second Temples, we remember the oppression at the hands of the Persians, Greeks, and Romans. We celebrate the victories over those who tried to destroy us. If we really want to keep the faith of Judaism we need to try to 'de-hellenize' and observe more Jewish holidays and less secular/gentile holidays.

 This year I wished several Christians Happy Holidays because they were nice and deserved it. I don't want to try to force them to believe anything which they don't want to believe. But for Jews I feel a responsibility to discuss these issues.

Ephraim Ben Noach:

--- Quote from: LKZ on December 25, 2012, 08:54:04 PM ---
How the hell did you come up with that. There is noting pagan about me. We weren't even having a discussion, you and I. It would be short lived anyways, as I wouldn't know quite as much as you about which wrestler would win the NASCAR.

--- End quote ---
Calm down, beaver beater, I was only playing. I'm so stupid... How did Muman know the exact date I was talking about? Because the stars were supposedly in a certain position when Jesus was born, which could have only been in August or September.

Oh yeah, Stone Cold Steve Austin won the Daytona 500!

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