Should this guy be introduced to JTF?

[Dr. Dan]

How would that be?Danny?

What kind of name is Christianwhitenation?!  That's just disgraceful to me.  This isn't a website for just white people. It's a website for all righteous human beings irregardless of race, religion, etc...

And when i see that name, I assume the worst..that you are nothing more than a bigoted person that will only side with white people only because of their color and religion.

[ftf]

The guy in the video is great, I hope he joins us.

Another thing to note, his videos have a few thousand views, now imagine him mentioning JTF in all of the videos he makes from now on, it will expose at least another thousand people to us.

[Wayne Jude]

So you have judged me already?

[Wayne Jude]

I do try not to be offensive so If the name I have chosen offends you,very sorry.However It means alot to me.

[Wayne Jude]

Wolf you should know me better.I don't like bad slang or foul language.take care friend.

[Dr. Dan]

So you have judged me already?

I'm judging you vigilantly right now...prove me wrong.

1. Why choose the name "Christianwhitenation" and not just Christiannation?
2. How do you feel about righteous Jews?
3. How do you feel about righteous non-Chritians?
4. How do you feel about righteous non-whites who are Christian or not Christian?

btw, i appreciate your calm demeanor.

[ftf]

Just for reference, I feel it appropriate at this moment to add that I personally do not believe that anyone is righteous other than God.

So if you put those questions to me dannycookie57, I would have to say that I don't think there are any righteous Jews, any righteous non-christians, any righteous non-whites, any-righteous whites, or any righteous christians.

[Joe Schmo]

Chaim supports Hindus and Sikhs.  He's stated that many times in the past.

[Dr. Dan]

I just sent the guy a formal invitation to the forum.

[Dr. Dan]

Just for reference, I feel it appropriate at this moment to add that I personally do not believe that anyone is righteous other than G-d.

So if you put those questions to me dannycookie57, I would have to say that I don't think there are any righteous Jews, any righteous non-christians, any righteous non-whites, any-righteous whites, or any righteous christians.

ftf, you are correct in principle because humans cannot judge AS WELL as Gd can on who is righteous and who is not.
However I disagree that it is impossible to intuitively understand a particular person that might have a good heart a nd righteous intentions.  Therefore, with that in mind, I completely disagree with your notion that there are no righteous people.  It's like me saying the exact opposite: "there are no evil people".  There ARE righteous people and there are EVIL people.  And human beings have capability of judging one from the other..however not to the extent Gd can.

[ftf]

Just for reference, I feel it appropriate at this moment to add that I personally do not believe that anyone is righteous other than G-d.

So if you put those questions to me dannycookie57, I would have to say that I don't think there are any righteous Jews, any righteous non-christians, any righteous non-whites, any-righteous whites, or any righteous christians.

ftf, you are correct in principle because humans cannot judge AS WELL as Gd can on who is righteous and who is not.
However I disagree that it is impossible to intuitively understand a particular person that might have a good heart a nd righteous intentions.  Therefore, with that in mind, I completely disagree with your notion that there are no righteous people.  It's like me saying the exact opposite: "there are no evil people".  There ARE righteous people and there are EVIL people.  And human beings have capability of judging one from the other..however not to the extent Gd can.

You've missed my point, but it's not one I wish to discuss here. I only mentioned it because of the way you were questioning "christainwhitenation".

[Dr. Dan]

Just for reference, I feel it appropriate at this moment to add that I personally do not believe that anyone is righteous other than G-d.

So if you put those questions to me dannycookie57, I would have to say that I don't think there are any righteous Jews, any righteous non-christians, any righteous non-whites, any-righteous whites, or any righteous christians.

ftf, you are correct in principle because humans cannot judge AS WELL as Gd can on who is righteous and who is not.
However I disagree that it is impossible to intuitively understand a particular person that might have a good heart a nd righteous intentions.  Therefore, with that in mind, I completely disagree with your notion that there are no righteous people.  It's like me saying the exact opposite: "there are no evil people".  There ARE righteous people and there are EVIL people.  And human beings have capability of judging one from the other..however not to the extent Gd can.

You've missed my point, but it's not one I wish to discuss here. I only mentioned it because of the way you were questioning "christainwhitenation"

It wasn't meant to be a trick question.  I would rather ask someone if they like righteous Jews rather than just Jews in general.

[ftf]

I'd love to meet a righteous Jew, I just don't believe they exist, there are Jews with good intentions, but they are not truly righteous, just as I have good intentions, but am not truly righteous.

That is my opinion of the matter anyway.

[Dr. Dan]

I'd love to meet a righteous Jew, I just don't believe they exist, there are Jews with good intentions, but they are not truly righteous, just as I have good intentions, but am not truly righteous.

That is my opinion of the matter anyway.

umm..we shouldn't really strive to take Gd's definition of righteous..and of course, there is no such thing as a truly righteous person nor a truly evil person..but there are those who are much more righteous than evil.

[Joe Schmo]

I'd love to meet a righteous Jew, I just don't believe they exist, there are Jews with good intentions, but they are not truly righteous, just as I have good intentions, but am not truly righteous.

That is my opinion of the matter anyway.

umm..we shouldn't really strive to take Gd's definition of righteous..and of course, there is no such thing as a truly righteous person nor a truly evil person..but there are those who are much more righteous than evil.

Yes.  There are gradations of evil. 

For example, who is less evil, Fred Rogers or Adolf Hitler?

[Wayne Jude]

Dear Friends:

I was born a Jew, was raised a Catholic, now a professed for all eternity born-again Christian. Hatred has nothing to do with our G-d. I can honestly say to judge me would not to be know me. It is the name of a website we have created, there will be no semitic or racist comments on our website, and you will find none. To love my own is not to hate others, that is the whole purpose of Christianwhitenation.name . I do not hate Jews, Blacks, Indians, Asians, or anyone else for that matter. I have been a hater, a racist, and a dog gone horrible person. I do not want others to go through that process to find that Love is greater than all.

Sincerely,

Jude

[Dr. Dan]

Dear Friends:

I was born a Jew, was raised a Catholic, now a professed for all eternity born-again Christian. Hatred has nothing to do with our G-d. I can honestly say to judge me would not to be know me. It is the name of a website we have created, there will be no semitic or racist comments on our website, and you will find none. To love my own is not to hate others, that is the whole purpose of Christianwhitenation.name . I do not hate Jews, Blacks, Indians, Asians, or anyone else for that matter. I have been a hater, a racist, and a dog gone horrible person. I do not want others to go through that process to find that Love is greater than all.

Sincerely,

Jude

Thank you Jude and welcome aboard.  Jude, how do you feel about missionizing Jews to follow Christianity? Do you engage in that practice or encourage it?

[Wayne Jude]

NOt on this forum Danny, that is against the rules!Are you trying to temmpt me?I hope not ,but thanks for the welcome!

[Dr. Dan]

NOt on this forum Danny, that is against the rules!Are you trying to temmpt me?I hope not ,but thanks for the welcome!

Well, here's the thing...obviously not on this forum!  BUT...even outside, you must renounce missionizing to any JEW anywhere at anytime...that even if a Jew comes to you to convert to Christianity, you should turn him away and find a Rabbi to talk to him/her...that's the Christian way to do it..

Because certainly, if a non-Jew came to me and wanted to convert to Judaism, I would turn him/her away as long as I can until he/she is so relentless that I have no choice to introduce him/her to a rabbi that can help him/her.

[ftf]

NOt on this forum Danny, that is against the rules!Are you trying to temmpt me?I hope not ,but thanks for the welcome!

Well, here's the thing...obviously not on this forum!  BUT...even outside, you must renounce missionizing to any JEW anywhere at anytime...that even if a Jew comes to you to convert to Christianity, you should turn him away and find a Rabbi to talk to him/her...that's the Christian way to do it..

Because certainly, if a non-Jew came to me and wanted to convert to Judaism, I would turn him/her away as long as I can until he/she is so relentless that I have no choice to introduce him/her to a rabbi that can help him/her.

There is nothing christian about turning away anyone wanting to be a christian danny, I'm sorry, but there just isn't. At the same time it is unchristian to use any underhand tactics to try and convert people or to in any way force people to be christians. If anyone asked me about my faith I would do my best to explain it to them, there is only one time I have failed to respond when asked, and I am haunted by the memory of that failing still. Just for refferrence, I know very few Jews (outside of the internet), and none of them have ever asked me anything about my faith, I do not have any regular conversation with any of them either. (the only Jews I know on the internet are members of this forum)

Christianity and modern Judaism cannot both be completely correct one of them has to be wrong in some areas.

[Dr. Dan]

NOt on this forum Danny, that is against the rules!Are you trying to temmpt me?I hope not ,but thanks for the welcome!

Well, here's the thing...obviously not on this forum!  BUT...even outside, you must renounce missionizing to any JEW anywhere at anytime...that even if a Jew comes to you to convert to Christianity, you should turn him away and find a Rabbi to talk to him/her...that's the Christian way to do it..

Because certainly, if a non-Jew came to me and wanted to convert to Judaism, I would turn him/her away as long as I can until he/she is so relentless that I have no choice to introduce him/her to a rabbi that can help him/her.

There is nothing christian about turning away anyone wanting to be a christian danny, I'm sorry, but there just isn't. At the same time it is unchristian to use any underhand tactics to try and convert people or to in any way force people to be christians. If anyone asked me about my faith I would do my best to explain it to them, there is only one time I have failed to respond when asked, and I am haunted by the memory of that failing still. Just for refferrence, I know very few Jews (outside of the internet), and none of them have ever asked me anything about my faith, I do not have any regular conversation with any of them either. (the only Jews I know on the internet are members of this forum)

Christianity and modern Judaism cannot both be completely correct one of them has to be wrong in some areas.

I never said there was anything wrong with telling people about your faith. I certainly welcome it and find it to be interesting to learn about other faiths.  I'm only referring to those who actively go out to missionize Jews...Certainly if a nonJew were interested in learning about Judaism, I would tell him/her about it.  But if he/she wanted to specifically convert, I wouldn't encourage it, especially at first. It's only if he/she were so relentless to do it that I would then help him/her.

It's not unChristian to talk about one's faith. It's unChristian to believe that Christianity is the only answer and all others are wrong. FTF, I just want you to know that I"m not labeling in that category...anyway, let's not talk about this anymore...My opinion on thelogies is that every decent person who believes in a Creator is looking at the same building but from a different angle.  I think that when teh Messiah comes, it won't matter if it is a second coming or a first coming since it will be a messiah for all good and decent people.

Anyway, end of discussion..i know that this kind of talk makes some people on teh forum uncomfortable..and all together, I know you are a decent guy, ftf..so let's leave it at that.

[Wayne Jude]

Danny,I didnt come here to convert you and do not wish to sow strife ,so as you said end of discussion.My best to you and all...
Wayne[Jude]

[JTFSupporter]

I just sent the guy a formal invitation to the forum.

Thanks DannyCookie. So have I (more than once), as well as an informal message describing what JTF is all about. He responded once about two weeks ago saying he'd visited the JTF web site and forum, and asked what he could do to help us. I responded that he could become a regular forum member, time permitting, and that he could rate our vids as well as commenting on them and saving them as favorites.

[Lisa]

Plugging another website I mean.

YouTube does not allow you to post web addresses in your comments.  But you can get around that by writing out JTF dot org, for the main site, and JTF dot org forward slash e for the forum. 

[raiseyourfist]

He appears to be a supporter for Israel and america...

He is also very knowlegable about the world....

HE WOULD BE A VERY GOOD MEMBER FOR THIS ORGANIZATION