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Re: JDL founder Reuven Manning tortured in CA jail! Help!!!
« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2013, 03:37:54 PM »
Our very own teacher and guide, Rabbi Kahane Ztl, faught against the authorities of the US to ensure that Jewish prisoners would not be tortured in prison by being forced to eat non-Kosher food and prevented from doing mitzvot associated with the Holidays.



http://archive.jta.org/article/1975/04/08/2971550/kahane-charges-federal-prison-authorities-violate-court-order-to-provide-him-with-kosher-food

NEW YORK, Apr. 7 (JTA) –
The refusal by the federal prison authorities to obey a court order to provide Rabbi Meir Kahane with kosher food has resulted in another court order delaying the transfer of Kahane to a federal prison from a detention center in Manhattan, The former Jewish Defense League leader was scheduled to leave this morning for Allenwood (Pa.) Federal Prison to begin serving the remainder of his one-year prison term. He has been held at the Federal Training Center in New York since March 18.

In a press conference this morning, held at the detention center, Kahane said that last Friday, Federal Judge Jack Weinstein conducted a hearing on Kahane's charges that the prison authorities, in defiance of Weinstein's own order, refused to provide him with kosher food.

According to Kahane, U.S. Attorney Tom Peterson told the Judge that it is "too expensive" to have kosher food and that "if the Jews will get it other groups will ask for special food" as well. "Judge Weinstein was furious," Kahane said, "because the refusal of the government was not only a violation of human rights but also a question of court contempt."

Kahane, who looked pale and haggard and has started to grow a beard, was eating meals outside the detention center since his arrest in order to have kosher food. Kahane said that he and his lawyer, Barry Slotnick will take "this case up to the Supreme Court, to uphold the right of Jews for kosher food in prison." Kahane added that even if his case is resolved, there are presently two other JDL members in federal prison who do not get kosher food. According to Kahane, Weinstein gave the government two weeks to file a brief on the case.
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: JDL founder Reuven Manning tortured in CA jail! Help!!!
« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2013, 03:41:35 PM »
Here is the legal decision on the case bought by Rabbi Kahane...

http://openjurist.org/527/f2d/492/kahane-v-carlson

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In 1971, appellant Kahane, an orthodox Jewish rabbi, was sentenced in the Eastern District of New York to imprisonment and fine for conspiracy to violate the federal Firearms Act. 18 U.S.C. § 371. However, the sentence of imprisonment was suspended by the court, and Kahane was placed on probation. Kahane and his family had made their home in the Eastern District for many years prior to his conviction. While Kahane was on probation, they had removed to Israel with the permission of the court and Kahane had become a candidate for election to the Knesset, the Israeli Parliament. Kahane subsequently admitted to violating the terms of his probation. His probation was accordingly revoked, but his sentence of imprisonment was reduced to a term of one year. Kahane then sought, by several forms of action in the Eastern District of New York, orders requiring the prison administrators to conform the conditions of his incarceration to his religious beliefs concerning diet and prayer. The court, Jack B. Weinstein, Judge, found jurisdiction and venue in the Eastern District of New York and granted Kahane relief in the nature of mandamus.
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Re: JDL founder Reuven Manning tortured in CA jail! Help!!!
« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2013, 03:44:34 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/09/06/nyregion/sing-sing-inmates-hail-plan-to-offer-kosher-meals.html

Sing Sing Inmates Hail Plan to Offer Kosher Meals
By ARI L. GOLDMAN
Published: September 06, 1993

If all goes according to plan, Sing Sing prison will offer kosher meals for Jewish inmates who want them beginning with the Jewish New Year on Sept. 16.

About a dozen Jewish prisoners celebrated the news this week with a prayer service, singing and dancing led by visiting Hasidim, and kosher salami sandwiches brought in for the occasion.

"Got tsu danken," said Charles Friedgood, a 75-year-old former surgeon and convicted murderer, who used the Yiddish words meaning "Thank God." "We're able to be Yiddin here." In Time for Passover

Kosher food is being made available in the state's 69 prisons in a program that began last February; Sing Sing is the 30th prison to offer the meals. By next April, in time for Passover, the food will be available in every prison, officials say.

New York, which has more Jews than any other state, will be the first to offer a kosher diet in all its state prisons. Kosher meals have been available in New York City prisons for several years.
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: JDL founder Reuven Manning tortured in CA jail! Help!!!
« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2013, 04:37:22 PM »
I'll be praying for him. He should at least be sent to Israel where he would be given kosher food. By the way he's not in jail. He's in prison. Jail is for people who are awaiting trial and sentencing. Prison is for those who have been sentenced.

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Re: JDL founder Reuven Manning tortured in CA jail! Help!!!
« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2013, 04:53:50 AM »
Here is the case I was referring to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Sheinbein

I guess the Israeli courts are selective in who they extradite. According to the law the cited refusing to extradite him, they ignored the law for Manning.
Putting aside the issue that Manning should receive kosher meals how would he have been better off not being extradited here to the United States when it was said his wife was tortured to death in Israels prison system... Personally I find that hard to believe but that what was said... I think the stress of being incarcerated possibly for life brought on her fatal heart attack.
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Re: JDL founder Reuven Manning tortured in CA jail! Help!!!
« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2013, 05:26:12 AM »
Putting aside the issue that Manning should receive kosher meals how would he have been better off not being extradited here to the United States when it was said his wife was tortured to death in Israels prison system... Personally I find that hard to believe but that what was said... I think the stress of being incarcerated possibly for life brought on her fatal heart attack.
If she was incarcerated just to add more pressure on her husband that's torture.

Reuven Manning would have been far better off if he was locked in Israeli prison. The conditions in an American maximum security prison are tougher then any prison system in the developed world. Whereas in Israel, not that I would want to try it, but the conditions are more humane, and the convicts themselves are somewhat less scummy then their American peers. In America the prisons are ruled by gangs and they are much more violent and dangerous. In Israel especially in the separate section for religious convicts, the conditions are almost decent.

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Re: JDL founder Reuven Manning tortured in CA jail! Help!!!
« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2013, 06:31:48 AM »
Don't he get Kosher food in the prison?
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« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2013, 06:34:17 AM »
If she was incarcerated just to add more pressure on her husband that's torture.

Reuven Manning would have been far better off if he was locked in Israeli prison. The conditions in an American maximum security prison are tougher then any prison system in the developed world. Whereas in Israel, not that I would want to try it, but the conditions are more humane, and the convicts themselves are somewhat less scummy then their American peers. In America the prisons are ruled by gangs and they are much more violent and dangerous. In Israel especially in the separate section for religious convicts, the conditions are almost decent.
I thought so also but I wanted to hear someone else say it... The idea that Manning's wife was tortured to death over in Israel seemed a bit out there... The though of being locked up in the monkey jungle cage that describes most prisons here in the United States should have given Manning a fatal heart attack not his wife... Sadly I think Manning will do whatever time is coming to him which seems to be life here in the United States so it important to see that at the very least he gets the correct food and conditions... I think the political system over in Israel finds it easier to deal with people like Manning by letting the United States deal with his prison time... No questions between the two governments over time served or possible early release... Much like the Pollard case... Most people in the mainstream forget about cases like that and it's basically like locking the person up and tossing the key away.
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Re: JDL founder Reuven Manning tortured in CA jail! Help!!!
« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2013, 05:33:51 PM »
How unfair, why do we have to wait so long for justice?