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On clothing, "peyos" and language.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: muman613 on March 03, 2013, 03:09:31 AM ---If the Torah commanded that a Jew wear a particular uniform it would have been explained in the Oral Law... Where is this uniform which you guys think is the 'original' Jewish dress? Our dress indeed has been influenced by the land we live in. And as long as we dress is a unique manner, we are not going in the ways of the gentiles.
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It is you who say there is a uniform by claiming peyoth are required when they are not. And by claiming they are "uniquely Jewish" and so on and so forth.
You must not be aware that the Talmud actually does describe Jewish mode of dress. It includes a turban head covering, tunics and other ancient clothing styles. I do NOT claim that we MUST wear this for all generations just because Jews at one time did. Those Talmudic discussions are practical ones describing the brachot to make as a typical Jew gets dressed in the morning. Since that was the clothing common at that time, it used description of those items for when to say certain brachas and so on. Jewish law is always very practical - the sages discussed what Jews commonly wore at the time because that's what people needed to know about since that's what they were already doing -- so in what sequence do we make brachas, etc.
You once again put words in my mouth and attach opinions to me which are not my own. Why is that?
I am strongly against the absurd notion that Jews must dress like 1800's Polish noblemen, or that Jews must wear a hat because that was a popular style of the 1950's (which morphed into only "black hats") etc. There is no basis for any of this in Jewish law. It's not uniquely Jewish - it is just styles copied from gentiles and made "permanent" culturally. There is no basis for it and no use IMO.
Enjoy slaying your straw men, but again I request for you to stop this madness of putting words in my mouth which I did not say.
muman613:
Maybe you don't consider Rambams Sefer HaMitzvot a reliable source?
From Rambams Sefer Hamitzvot: 43rd Prohibition
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/940319/jewish/Negative-Commandment-43.htm
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/940319/jewish/Negative-Commandment-43.htm
The 43rd prohibition is that we are forbidden from shaving1 the temples of our heads.
The source of this commandment is G‑d's statement (exalted be He),2 "Do not round off the corners of your head."
This prohibition also3 has the goal of preventing us from emulating idol worshippers, since it was the practice of idol worshippers to shave only the sides [of their heads]. For this reason the Sages had to explain in Tractate Yevamos4 that, "Shaving the entire head is also included in the prohibition of 'rounding,'" so that you should not say that the actual prohibition is shaving the temples and leaving the rest of the hair, as the idolatrous priests do; but if you shave the entire head, you are not emulating them. The Sages therefore informed us that it is prohibited to shave the temples in any manner — not by themselves and not with the rest of the head.
One is punished by lashes separately for each side; therefore one who shaves his entire head receives two sets of lashes. We do not count them as two separate commandments although there are two sets of lashes because there are no two phrases [in Scripture] for the one prohibition. If Scripture would say, "Do not round off the right corner of your head nor the left corner of your head," and we would find [that our Sages] stipulated two sets of lashes, then we could count them as two commandments. But since there is only one expression and one type of action, it counts as one commandment. And even though this prohibition is explained as including different parts of the body, and that one receives lashes for each part separately, this does not require it to be counted as more than one commandment.
The details of this mitzvah have been explained at the end of tractate Makkos.5 Women are exempt from this prohibition.6
FOOTNOTES
1. See Kapach 5731, footnote 13.
2. Lev.19:27.
3. As with the previous prohibitions.
4. 5a.
5. 20a.
6. In Hilchos Avodah Zarah 12:2, the Rambam quotes tractate Kiddushin 35b, and explains that this prohibition is in the same verse as the prohibition against shaving the beard. Just as the prohibition of shaving does not apply to women, so too this prohibition does not apply to women. See Kesef Mishneh, ibid.
muman613:
KWRBT,
I do not claim to know exactly what length the peyot should be grown. It is a matter of custom. But the Torah clearly and unambiguously commands us not to shave the corners of the head... Do you agree with that at least?
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
How is it possible?
Do you respond to me viscerally without reading what I write?
Do you purposely antagonize me personally for some reason?
Do you have some vandetta?
Is your reading comprehension lacking?
Please tell me what it is. Tell me how this is possible. I just don't understand it.
After I say (bold and underline added)
--- Quote --- Of course, it is also documented facts that the Chassidic movement was a relatively recent innovation, and their use of the peyoth hairstyle was also a recent innovation added to Jewish culture. On that point, the author is correct. His speculation that they might have "copied" it from the Yemenites, could be correct or could not, but I would have to see some proof or circumstantial evidence to consider that possibility a likely one. It could be an independent development which they themselves innovated to beautify a certain mitzvah we are all familiar with by now. Or maybe he's right.[/u] I would say that's worth looking into. Would you agree? Or are you scared of what might be found?
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That you reply to me with:
--- Quote from: muman613 on March 03, 2013, 03:04:42 AM ---So the Ashkenaz Jews are not 'authentic' enough for you. So you think they copied the Yemenite customs? What evidence you have?
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Your constant lying makes me sick to my stomach.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: muman613 on March 03, 2013, 02:07:16 PM ---Maybe you don't consider Rambams Sefer HaMitzvot a reliable source?
From Rambams Sefer Hamitzvot: 43rd Prohibition
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/940319/jewish/Negative-Commandment-43.htm
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/940319/jewish/Negative-Commandment-43.htm
The 43rd prohibition is that we are forbidden from shaving1 the temples of our heads.
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Shaving.
Do you know what Shaving means?
Stop the obfuscating!
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