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On clothing, "peyos" and language.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: muman613 on March 03, 2013, 02:28:30 PM ---
You stated it is not a mitzvot to grow peyot.... Rambam seems to differ in opinion..
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LOL, more lies.
But it is NOT a mitzvah to "Grow peyot." The mitzvah is "Do not round the corners of your head." And to fulfill that mitzvah requires leaving a small amount of hair. I have never said otherwise. You know you are purposely misleading with your above comment. You are not being honest.
This entire discussion has been about the long peyot which are grown by Chassidim and some Yemenites. To say otherwise now is to lie, plain and simple.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: muman613 on March 03, 2013, 02:40:01 PM ---Those you mention are clearly not Peyot, the hairs on the side of the head, which are in front of the ears.
The single braid from the center of the head is a different style, and not similar to peyot...
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LOL. These are very similar and it's not always a single braid. It's sometimes 2 side locks - read what it says. The article says "the side of the head."
This is a source for what the rabbi was claiming which you said was a lie. You demanded a source. I provided one very easy to find through google. You could probably do a lot more research but this is just to show you no one is making things up wholecloth.
muman613:
Here is your 'sidelock of youth' picture...
Clearly this is different from peyot as Jews have grown them.
--- Quote ---Throughout, a distinctive hairstyle was reserved for children. The head was shaved completely with one long strand left on the side of the head, the so-called "sidelock of youth." This "s" shaped side lock served as the hieroglyphic symbol for child or youth. This style was worn by both girls and boys until the advent of puberty.
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Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: muman613 on March 03, 2013, 02:42:46 PM ---Here is your 'sidelock of youth' picture...
Clearly this is different from peyot as Jews have grown them.
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Now, now Muman. That's not the site I referenced. All of a sudden you can find things on the internet so I don't have to provide you with sources that you claim don't exist?
Although that is somewhat different than "peyot" you can't deny a similarity there - the location the curling, etc. and also a similarity in the "ritual" of cutting it off which some practice for little kids after 3 years cutting off their long hair.
Plus this is the african not the ancient egyptian
muman613:
Ok, we will have to agree to disagree because we are not making any headway.
The reason Jews grow peyot is because of the commandment (Negative 43 by Rambam) and also because of Kabbalistic understanding. It has nothing to do with idolatry... If you think it does, so be it... I have researched the topic and found that this practice has been a unique signifying feature of Jews throughout the last few centuries at least, and I have no reason to suspect any bad intent by our forefathers.
You can go and question all our customs and find that a lot of them are not 'ancient'. So too the custom of wearing Kippot is a relatively new custom. There is no biblical commandment to even wear them... Do you wear a kippah?
--- Quote ---http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/607780/jewish/The-Kippah-Skullcap.htm
A kippah (literally: dome) is the Hebrew word for skullcap, also referred to in Yiddish as a yarmulke, or less frequently as a koppel.
Jewish law requires men to cover their heads as a sign of respect and reverence for G‑d when praying, studying Torah, saying a blessing or entering a synagogue.
This practice has its roots in biblical times, when the priests in the Temple were instructed to cover their heads.
Traditionally, Jewish men and boys wear the kippah at all times, a symbol of their awareness of, and submission to, a "higher" entity.
Although it is not explicitly required by law, the practice is noted in the Talmud, and through the ages, this became an accepted Jewish custom to the point that according to the majority of halachic authorities, it is mandatory. One should, therefore, not walk or even sit, bareheaded. Small children should also be taught to cover their heads.
Aside from the commonblack kippah, many wear kippot (plural form of kippah) of various colors or designs. Some communities have developed kippah designs that are highly intricate works of art, such as those made by Jewish artisans from Yemen and Georgia, most of whom now live in Israel.
For more on the Kippah, click here and here.
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