The church that's opened its doors to Islam

[Super Mentalita]

Can you believe this?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2295149/Christians-roll-welcome-Muslims-having-pray-wind-rain-mosque-small.html

[Rubystars]

I was just talking about this kind of thing going on in modern churches with someone else. It isn't a problem that's only infecting one church but it's affecting many different denominations. The communist march through the institutions.

[The Noachide]

Some synagogues did also open its doors to muslims for this same reason overcrowding.
In this case, these muslims have sinned as they face a contradiction to their beliefs as they're not allowed to pray in churches with images and idols around.
Yet, it is okay for muslims to pray in a synagogue by default because the Jewish people are a monotheistic nation.

[Binyamin Yisrael]

Jews can also pray inside a mosque as long as it's Jewish prayer but strictly speaking, any entrance to a church is prohibited.

[Binyamin Yisrael]

The Christian in the picture looks more like a Muslim other than his clothing. Maybe he's like Arab Chrsitians who support Arab Muslims.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

Jews can also pray inside a mosque as long as it's Jewish prayer but strictly speaking, any entrance to a church is prohibited.

I would like to talk about this, in a civilized manner...

 I think I know why Jews could not pray in a church, but why would they be able to pray in a mosque, where they pray to a completely different G-d?

[The Noachide]

I would like to talk about this, in a civilized manner...

 I think I know why Jews could not pray in a church, but why would they be able to pray in a mosque, where they pray to a completely different G-d?

I'm skeptical myself about the belief in the same G-d between jews and muslims.
I always told a few muslim debaters that both followers believe in the same deity including christians. Some muslims believe me, some don't.

Why skeptical?.. First, the word g-d is a loose general meaning just as the word allah which means g-d.
There's a story about idols once were inside the kabaa in mecca and one of the idols was named allah. There were 360 of those idols with different names. They were all smashed inside at some point and muslims ended up with allah.
muslims themselves believe it in their scriptures. They always recite this word but never g-d.

In fact, the kabaa rituals done by muslims mirror hinduism quite a lot in their rituals. e.s. circling the cubic stone 7 times that both hindus and muslims do.
the kabaa very likely belongs to the hindus which the muslims won't believe for all eternity.

[muman613]

Allah is an Arabic word which is derived from the Hebrew El (as in Elokim). In our prayers the word appears.

Here it is explained at ohr.edu:

http://ohr.edu/ask_db/ask_main.php/167/Q2/

Dear Rabbi,
I'd like to know if it is true that "Elo-kim" means Allah in Arabic (I saw this in a home page). Another question: How could Moshe have written the book of Deuteronomy if there's a chapter in it that tells about Moshe's death? Bye and Thanks!

Dear Ricardo,

Allah is Arabic for the Hebrew word "El." "El" means the Almighty.
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The reason Jews are permited to enter a Mosque is because there are no images there, and according to Rambam they are monotheists as opposed to other gentiles.


http://www.askmoses.com/en/article/255,2400/Am-I-allowed-to-enter-a-church-or-mosque.html

[muman613]

http://www.torah.org/advanced/weekly-halacha/5772/bo.html?print=1

Regarding Islam, however, most poskim follow the opinion of the Rambam[12] that it is not considered avodah zarah[13]. Hence they do not expressly forbid entering a mosque[14]. Other poskim forbid entering a mosque as well[15]. All agree that unless there is a compelling reason to do so, mosques are off limits for any G-d-fearing Jew.

It goes without saying that the houses of worship of all other heathen religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism, etc. are considered avodah zarah and are off-limits at all times.

[muman613]

PS: Judaism also has a ritual which calls for us to circle something seven times. It is on Hoshanah Rabba during the Hakafot.

http://www.chabad.org/holidays/JewishNewYear/template_cdo/aid/4495/jewish/Hoshana-Rabbah.htm

On the first six days of the Festival, the bimah is circled once. On Hoshana Rabbah, the last day of the Festival, seven circles are made. This custom commemorates the service in the Bet ha-Mikdash during which the kohanim would circle the altar once daily and seven times on Hoshana Rabbah.

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This day was also known as "the day of the beating of the aravah." The Mishnah (Sukkah 4:2) records: How was the mitzvah of aravah fulfilled? There was a place below Jerusalem called Motza. They would go down there and pick branches of willows and would then come and place them alongside the altar with the heads (of the willow branches) bent over the altar. They then sounded the shofar: a tekiah, a teruah, and a tekiah. Each day they would circle the altar once and say, "Ana Hashem Hoshiah Na (Please, G-d, bring us salvation), Ana Hashem Hatzlichah Na (Please, G-d, bring us success)"... On that day (i.e., Hoshana Rabbah) they circled the altar seven times. When they had finished they would say, "Beauty is yours, O altar, beauty is yours." As was done during the week was done on Shabbat (i.e., if Hoshana Rabbah fell on a Shabbat) except (that if it was Shabbat) they would gather them (the aravot) on the eve (of Shabbat) and place them in golden basins so that they would not become wilted.

[muman613]

For an example of the service see:

[muman613]

I would like to clarify that I would NEVER enter a mosque unless I was tied up and tortured. Regardless what they believe about Allah, the fact is that Judaism has a better and closer relationship with Hashem (The name Yud-Kay-Vav-Kay the name of Mercy and Kindness). Even if the name allah is derived from El, the name El is the name of Judgement and Harshness and death, and I think that the Koran is a book of hate.

[The Noachide]

Thanks on the videos muman. It looks a lot like Sukkot.
Agreed. It is unnecessary for any Jew to enter a mosque despite the small jewish population, there should be enough shuls anywhere to accommodate many of them.

At first glance, I call the Korans a disorganized mess. Not written in any order.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

I thought Allah came from the pagan moon G-d …

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

Ok, I just looked into what I just said, it seems to be a missionary tool. But anyway, muzzys are always yelling Allah is greater, how can he be greater if he is the same G-d as the Jews ...

[The Noachide]

Ok, I just looked into what I just said, it seems to be a missionary tool. But anyway, muzzys are always yelling Allah is greater, how can he be greater if he is the same G-d as the Jews ...

These primitive muslims don't know any better than to use that word so they disturb the peace.

[syyuge]

Do not forgive them for they do know what they are doing. They are opening the doors to the demons.

[Binyamin Yisrael]

Ok, I just looked into what I just said, it seems to be a missionary tool. But anyway, muzzys are always yelling Allah is greater, how can he be greater if he is the same G-d as the Jews ...

I thought it meant greatest.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

I thought it meant greatest.

You're right it's greatest, but I don't see much of a difference...

 Anyways, they're not following the G-d of Israel! The G-d of Israel would have never told anyone to follow the laws that they follow, therefore they are following a fake G-d. No matter what they call him!

[Rubystars]

The real God would never ask His followers to behave like Islam requires its followers to behave.