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« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2013, 12:08:28 AM »
Good riddence she was an evil woman !  >:(

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« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2013, 12:20:05 AM »
IRISH ZIONIST  I agree with what you say ! I listen on my radio mon-fri at 1345hrs to the phone in programme on RTE-1 ,yesterdays programme was not not kind to Thatcher! Up the Republic ! :dance:

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« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2013, 12:26:36 AM »
Not many people in Wales liked the woman !

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Re: Margaret Thatcher, Britain's 'Iron Lady' Prime Minister, Dead at 87
« Reply #29 on: April 09, 2013, 05:40:43 AM »
I remember her as enemy of my people. Aside of that I support Irish people in their struggle for freedom. What was done to them is one of the greatest genocides in history. Englishmen captured them and shipped them to new found lands to be slaves. When that was not enough they forced poor Irish women to have sex with black slaves so that new "breed" could sale for more money.

Yip. She was the enemy, I support the Irish too. This is one of the Thatcher's statements about the Serbs:

Stop the Serbs. Immediately. Forever.

(Margaret Thatcher, the former Prime Minister of Great Britain,, New York Times ", May 4, 1994.)

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« Reply #30 on: April 09, 2013, 05:51:07 AM »
Compared to the muslamics, I must support British. But I can not support a British when compared to an Irish when playing on level fields.

>>She also believed Israel had to trade land for peace, and condemned Israel's 1981 bombing of Osirak as "a grave breach of international law"."<<

What is this?

She helped finish the Communism, but in that process also shifted the axis of communism from Moscow to Washington.
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« Reply #31 on: April 09, 2013, 05:57:22 AM »
http://www.theworkersrepublic.com/the-death-of-margaret-thatcher.html

... "Thatcher is a hate-figure in Ireland, primarily due to her callous treatment of the H-Block Hunger Strikers of 1981 and her ill-concealed glee at the deaths of those ten political prisoners. Thatcher's crimes against the Irish working class have never been forgotten or forgiven. The English, Scottish and Welsh working-class will also remain dry eyed, most notably due to her despicable treatment of the Mine workers and her brutal suppression of the mineworkers' union the N.U.M."

 ...."Ironically, Thatcher spent hundreds of thousands of taxpayers money and all her government's resources into rescuing her feckless, disorientated son, less than a year after she had used similar resources to callously ensure the deaths of ten Irish Republican mothers' sons in the H-Blocks of Long Kesh concentration camp in Ireland!"

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« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2013, 05:58:13 AM »
There are c600,000 Jews/part-Jews/Israelis in the UK.

The alternative to Thatcher (PM 1979-1990) would have been the ginger Welsh Labour windbag Neil Kinnock. If he would have become the PM then the UK would quickly have gone bellyup, and all those 600,000 would have had to flee to Israel, those that survived!


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« Reply #33 on: April 09, 2013, 06:10:45 AM »
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/margaret-thatcher-dies-criticism-of-her-policies-132906942.html#M0vv9PI

The death of Baroness Thatcher was a "great day" for coal miners, David Hopper, general secretary of the Durham Miners' Association said today.
The ex-miner, who turned 70 today, spent all of his working life at Wearmouth Colliery.
He said: "It looks like one of the best birthdays I have ever had.

"There's no sympathy from me for what she did to our community. She destroyed our community, our villages and our people.
"For the union this could not come soon enough and I'm pleased that I have outlived her.

"It's a great day for all the miners, I imagine we will have a counter demonstration when they have her funeral.

"Our children have got no jobs and the community is full of problems. There's no work and no money and it's very sad the legacy she has left behind.

"She absolutely hated working people and I have got very bitter memories of what she did. She turned all the nation against us and the violence that was meted out on us was terrible.


"I would say to those people who want to mourn her that they're lucky she did not treat them like she treated us."

Meanwhile, Baroness Thatcher's policies were called "fundamentally wrong" by former London mayor Ken Livingstone.

He told Sky News the former Conservative prime minister was responsible for "every real problem" faced in the UK today, as he claimed she had led millions of people out of work.

Mr Livingstone said: "Of course she was popular, she was offering people their homes at a cut price. But she didn't build any houses.

"She created today's housing crisis, she produced the banking crisis, she created the benefits crisis. It was her government that started putting people on incapacity benefits rather than register them as unemployed because the Britain she inherited was broadly at full employment."She decided when she wrote off our manufacturing industry that she could live with two or three million unemployed and the legacy of that, the benefits bill that we are still struggling with today.

"In actual fact, every real problem we face today is the legacy of the fact she was fundamentally wrong."

He also said that it was to Tony Blair's "shame" that he "broadly carried on" most of her policies.

Mr Livingstone added: "She once claimed New Labour was her greatest legacy and I am not saying she was joking."

Paul Kenny, general secretary of the GMB union, said: "Mrs Thatcher was a powerful politician who will be remembered by many for the destructive and divisive policies she reigned over which in the end, even in the Tory party, proved to be her downfall.

"Her legacy involves the destruction of communities, the elevation of personal greed over social values and legitimising the exploitation of the weak by the strong."

Lindsey German, convenor of the Stop The War Coalition, said: "Margaret Thatcher laid the basis for policies which wrecked the lives of millions in Britain. But she should also be remembered as a warmonger.

"She led alongside Ronald Reagan the escalation of the Cold War. She introduced cruise missiles to Britain and fought the Falklands war. Her arms deals with Saudi Arabia were notorious. Her legacy was Tony Blair who built enthusiastically on her record."
Most of the country's leading unions preferred not to make any comment about her death.

Colleagues of Arthur Scargill, the former leader of the National Union of Mineworkers, who clashed bitterly with Mrs Thatcher during the 1984/85 miners' strike, said he was unlikely to make any comment.

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Re: Margaret Thatcher, Britain's 'Iron Lady' Prime Minister, Dead at 87
« Reply #34 on: April 09, 2013, 06:40:53 AM »
"We will not forgive or forget if anyone (ie Israelis) sells anti-ship missiles (Gabriels) to the Argentinians!" (Thatcher's warning to Begin 1982)


She forgave the French when they sold Argentina Exocet missles       http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2253942/Margaret-Thatchers-war-treacherous-Francois-Mitterrand-Exocet-missile.html
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Re: Margaret Thatcher, Britain's 'Iron Lady' Prime Minister, Dead at 87
« Reply #35 on: April 09, 2013, 09:26:07 AM »
什么?

google translate is your friend.

that was Gaelic.

its amazing how many languages I "know".
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« Reply #36 on: April 09, 2013, 09:28:39 AM »
Nothing. It's just hard for a Irishman to face the truth. Ulster is British, not Irish.

uhh...I'll push this one away with a 12 foot pole.
so much conflict between the Ires and the Engs on that land.
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« Reply #37 on: April 09, 2013, 09:35:22 AM »
"Ireland" literally means "The land of ire" ie "the land of anger", hinting at its blood-soaked history!

Even though outnumbered 8 to 1, if the Catholics started up again the Prots would soon have them on the ropes. A shame really, since many of the Anglos, Celts & Scots on the Emerald isle may well be of TLT origins
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« Reply #38 on: April 09, 2013, 10:44:13 AM »
Her economic policy was great. The unions she defeated were communist leeches who nearly destroyed the British economy. She also lowered taxes and practically reintroduced free market economy to what as a very sick socialist basket case.

Defeating the Argentina Junta in a Falkland War was another plus of course. Otherwise I think her foreign policy stuck, certainly regarding Israel. But she wasn't so tough against the red block, that was all due to Reagan.

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« Reply #39 on: April 09, 2013, 11:35:54 AM »
Thatcher was backstabbed by the misogynists in her own party in 1990. Had she still been PM in 1991 during the Gulf War, she would have stiffened Bush enough to get the Allies to pursue Saddam all the way & conquer Baghdad.

Instead Bush went limp, which resulted in Bush II having to finish the job 12 years later, with all its disastrous sequellae!

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« Reply #40 on: April 09, 2013, 11:42:06 AM »
Thatcher was backstabbed by the misogynists in her own party in 1990. Had she still been PM in 1991 during the Gulf War, she would have stiffened Bush enough to get the Allies to pursue Saddam all the way & conquer Baghdad.

Instead Bush went limp, which resulted in Bush II having to finish the job 12 years later, with all its disastrous sequellae!
You are dumb. Leaving Sadam weak in power was a good result. The second Iraq war was a huge mistake.

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« Reply #41 on: April 09, 2013, 12:14:22 PM »
Thatcher the milk snatcher ! :::D

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« Reply #42 on: April 09, 2013, 12:24:48 PM »
If the Allies on Thatcher's urging had taken out Saddam back in 1991 it would have squashed the rise of both Wahabic & Shiitic Islam in the bud long before they reached today's levels: "Never give a sucker a 2nd chance!".

R.Kahane & Thatcher were both taken off the scene at the end of 1990 just when they were most needed.

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« Reply #43 on: April 09, 2013, 01:15:34 PM »
To me, Thatcher came off to be better than most, but cannot say much more than that.  I posted a JTF question for Chaim about her.
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« Reply #44 on: April 09, 2013, 06:22:17 PM »
  :usa+israel:                                                                                                                                                :fist:

 I definitely understand the great Irish Zionist's sentiments about Margaret Thatcher. One of the only positive things
 you can conjure up about this individual was her collaberative efforts with Ronald Reagan when it came to the
 Soviet union.

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« Reply #45 on: April 09, 2013, 06:27:49 PM »

Maggie at 13



A Tribute to Margaret Thatcher
by Sara Debbie Gutfreund


When Margaret Thatcher passed away today, the tributes began pouring in from all over the world. Mrs. Thatcher was Britain’s first female prime minister, serving for 11 years starting in 1979. Known as the Iron Lady, she was a strong Conservative who changed England’s perspective on its economic and political life.

Despite her many impressive accomplishments, including fighting the Soviet communist regime, Thatcher said that her proudest moment was when she saved a Jewish teenager from Austria during the Holocaust.

In 1938, Edith Muhlbauer, a 17-year-old Jewish girl, sent a letter to Muriel Roberts, Edith’s pen pal and the older sister of Margaret Thatcher, asking if the Roberts family could help her escape from Austria. The Nazis had started rounding up Jews from Vienna and Edith knew it was just a matter of time before she would be among them.

Alfred Roberts, the father of Muriel and Margaret, was a grocer in a small town. They lived in a cold water flat above the grocery with an outhouse; the Roberts did not have the time or the money to bring Edith to their home. So Margaret, then 12 and Muriel, 17, decided to try raising money and asking the local Rotary club to help. They succeeded in bringing Edith to England where she stayed with several Rotary families, including the Roberts for the next two years before joining relatives in South America.

Edith slept in Margaret’s room and Thatcher later wrote in her memoir: “She was tall, beautiful, evidently from a well to do family. But most important, she told us what it was like to live as a Jew under an anti-Semitic regime. One thing Edith reported particularly stuck in my mind. The Jews, she said, were being made to scrub the streets.”

In 1995, after Edith had been located in Brazil, she told audiences, “Never hesitate to do whatever you can for you may save a life.”

Edith is now a Jewish grandmother in Sao Paolo who says that she owes her life and the life of her children and grandchildren to Margaret Thatcher’s family. When Thatcher visited Yad Vashem during a historic, first visit to Israel by a British prime minister in 1986, she was visibly shaken as she stood in front of a photo of a German soldier shooting a Jewish mother and child. She exclaimed, “It is so terrible. Everyone should come and see it so that they never forget. I am not quite sure whether the new generation really knows what we are fighting against.”

Thatcher continued to be a loyal friend to the Jews as she fought the British support for the Arab boycott of Israel, protested on behalf of Jewish refuseniks in the Soviet Union and chose several Jewish leaders to be part of her cabinet. Thatcher admired the hard work and self-reliance of the British Jewish community and frequently turned to England’s late chief rabbi, Immanuel Jakobovits for spiritual back up. She even elevated Rabbi Jakobovits to the House of the Lords and he later became known as “Thatcher’s rabbi.”

Thatcher also made the following statement about Israel’s security: “Israel must never be expected to jeopardize her security; if she was ever foolish enough to do so and then suffered for it, the backlash against both honest brokers and Palestinians would be immense - ‘land for peace’ must also bring peace.”

Thatcher spoke up with such courage and strength because as she described herself, “This lady is not for turning.” When she believed in an ideal, whether it was transforming the British economy or saving a terrified Jew from Austria, she was not afraid to follow through, even if she had to stand up against popular opinions to do so.


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« Reply #46 on: April 10, 2013, 04:47:14 PM »
http://www.sott.net/article/260648-The-Wicked-Witch-is-Dead-Margaret-Thatchers-toxic-legacy-public-division-and-unfettered-corporate-greed

"The Wicked Witch is Dead: Margaret Thatcher's toxic legacy - public division and unfettered corporate greed

Her legacy is public division, private selfishness and a cult of greed that together shackle the human spirit

Whether you were for her or against her, Margaret Thatcher set the agenda for the past three and a half decades of British politics. All the debates that matter today in the public arena, whether in economics, social policy, politics, the law, the national culture or this country's relations with the rest of the world, still bear something of the imprint she left on them in her years in office between 1979 and 1990. More than 20 years after her party disposed of her when she had become an electoral liability, British public life is still defined to an extraordinary degree by the argument between those who wish to continue or refine what she started and those who want to mitigate or turn it back. Just as in life she shaped the past 30 years, so in death she may well continue to shape the next 30. These are claims that can be made about no other modern British prime minister. She was in many ways the most formidable peacetime leader this country has had since Gladstone.

The fact that Mrs Thatcher was Britain's first and so far only woman major party leader, chosen entirely on merit, and then Britain's first woman prime minister, were of course huge landmarks. But her gender, though fundamental to her story, was in the end secondary. It was at least as significant, in the evolution of the late 20th-century Tory party, that she came from a petit-bourgeois background, a shopkeeper's daughter, though the man she overthrew in 1975, Ted Heath, had similarly middling origins and John Major an even humbler start. There was something of the rebel and outsider about her, as well as much that was stultifyingly conventional.

Mrs Thatcher's transcendent quality, however, was that she was a political warrior. She had a love of political combat, a zealotry for the causes she believed in, a reluctance to listen to advice, a conviction that she was always right and never wrong, and a scorn for consensus that set her apart from almost all her predecessors and, with the occasional exception of Tony Blair, from those who came after.

Mrs Thatcher was proof positive that personality matters in politics. As a young minister she did not seem destined for greatness. Even her election as Tory leader was something of a surprise, though her audacity in going for the top job while so many more senior figures hesitated was an indication of what was to come. Early on in her leadership, she was much patronised by male colleagues and adversaries. But as the social democratic consensus faltered in the 1970s and then cracked in the 1980s she rode the wind of history with an opportunist's brilliance. A Britain led by Willie Whitelaw or Michael Heseltine would have faced most of the same challenges that the one led by Mrs Thatcher faced. But the response would have been completely different. For good or ill, she made a difference.

The late Guardian columnist and Thatcher biographer Hugo Young, reflecting on her overthrow in 1990, identified five large events that would not have happened the way they did without her.

The first was the Falklands war of 1982, which Young described as "a prime example of ignorance lending pellucid clarity to her judgment". Surrounded by sceptical men who had fought in the second world war and knew what combat involved, she went for it. The result was an astonishing and absurd military triumph followed by an electoral one, which elevated Mrs Thatcher from the ordinary to the extraordinary.

A second, which would not have been possible without the authority conferred by the first, was the dethroning of trade union power. Once again, against the instincts of ministers - and the grandest of grandees, Harold Macmillan - who all preferred compromise to confrontation, she fought the miners' strike to the bitterest of finishes, in a contest that was always about industrial strategy rather than just coal.

Arguably even more important than these headline events was the third example, the conduct of economic policy. There had been a New Right before Mrs Thatcher, but it was the ideas of Friedrich von Hayek, as articulated to her by a series of domestic rightwing ideologues, on which she seized. It was Mrs Thatcher, abetted by her chancellors Sir Geoffrey Howe and Nigel Lawson, who drove the policy that the public sector was an unproductive burden on the wealth-creating sector and on taxpayers, and must therefore be reduced and privatised. It was she who insisted that the chief aim of government economic policy should be price stability, and that it should not give priority to reducing unemployment or to stimulating demand.


  And it was she again who seemed to believe, far more than those around her, that the market economy required not a minimal state to protect it but a strong state, marked by everything from the abolition of local government autonomy to the enhancement of police powers, intolerance towards gay rights, the broadcasting ban on Sinn Féin, and increased defence spending. She made enemies without flinching, and they reciprocated. Her rule was marked by the most serious urban riots of the 20th century, one of the most divisive strikes in recent times, and the century's most audacious prime ministerial assassination attempt, which thankfully she survived.

Mrs Thatcher's unique mark was also felt in the two confrontations that ultimately undid her. The first was the poll tax, which was disastrous, unjust and was her policy alone. The poll tax came to embody a prime minister who ruled from conviction not sense, and who did not care about, indeed gloried in, a confrontation that destroyed the Tory party in Scotland and may indirectly come to destroy the union she otherwise championed. Similarly, and less easily disposed of after her fall, was Europe. Mrs Thatcher began her prime ministership as a pragmatic, if often acerbic, European. But as she became a bigger figure on the world stage, feted both by Mr Reagan and by Mikhail Gorbachev, she became increasingly strident and disruptive towards Europe. Her style became the policy, cementing the love affair with an already overmighty press but with disastrous effects for her leadership (which was ended by Sir Geoffrey's resignation over the issue), her party (which became obsessed with the subject) and for Britain. Except for Mr Blair in his early years, every British leader since has felt Mrs Thatcher at his shoulder in dealings with Europe, to the lasting national loss.


  When she arrived in Downing Street in 1979 she talked about replacing discord with harmony. She may briefly have meant it, but the harmony she sought in the long term was one whose terms were set overwhelmingly in the interests of the British business class as she perceived them. She disdained the public realm and presided over the growth of the cult of marketplace success as the foundation of a good society - a low-tax, home-owning, privatised, high-carbon, possessive, individualist, winner-takes-all financial model whose failure haunts the choices still facing this country today. Much was wrong with the Britain she inherited in 1979, undemocratic union power among them, and many things, though not wrong in themselves, were unsustainable without radical change, including some nationalised utilities. Britain would have had to alter radically in the 1980s and 90s, and the process would have been hard and controversial. But, as Germany and other northern nations have shown, economic dynamism has been possible without the squandering of social cohesion that Mrs Thatcher promoted.

In the last analysis, though, her stock in trade was division. By instinct, inclination and effect she was a polariser. She glorified both individualism and the nation state, but lacked much feeling for the communities and bonds that knit them together. When she spoke, as she often did, about "our people", she did not mean the people of Britain; she meant people who thought like her and shared her prejudices. She abhorred disorder, decadence and bad behaviour but she was the empress ruler of a process of social and cultural atomism that has fostered all of them, and still does.

The governments that followed have struggled to put a kinder and more cohesive face on the forces she unleashed and to create stability and validity for the public realm that yet remains. New Labour offered a first response. The coalition is attempting a second draft in grimmer circumstances, and there will be others. There can certainly be no going back to the failed postwar past with which Margaret Thatcher had to wrestle. But there should be no going back to her own failed answer either. She was an exceptionally consequential leader, in many ways a very great woman. There should be no dancing on her grave but it is right there is no state funeral either. Her legacy is of public division, private selfishness and a cult of greed, which together shackle far more of the human spirit than they ever set free.

Comment: In short, she was a psychopath whose pernicious influence spread through society, embodying the destructive principle from the top down. As for the 'kinder, more cohesive face' that succeeded her, Tony Blair was worse than Thatcher... Britain, like the U.S. and elsewhere, is truly in the death grip of a bunch of toxic psychopaths."

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« Reply #48 on: April 10, 2013, 05:25:47 PM »
Margaret Thatcher was 'evil', says Arthur Scargill's former wife - video

Anne Scargill, former wife of Arthur Scargill, who led the miners during the strike of 1984-85, says she was 'really happy' to hear about Margaret Thatcher's death. Scargill called Thatcher evil and accused her of 'smashing' the trade unions and the country

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/video/2013/apr/09/arthur-scargill-wife-margaret-thatcher-evil-video


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Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the horn, and the people be not warned, and the sword do come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.